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Default Re: GM still #1 - 03-11-2007 , 06:28 PM






It is advisable that before one comments on a subject, they might want to do
some research first, or at least say in my opinion.

The history of asbestos and gaskets, as well as break, problems is well
documented. Ford did NOT change the design of the gasket. The gasket
manufactures were forced to change the material without being given enough
time to develop a replacement material, that was the cause and everybody in
the industry knows it.

Toyota, Honda GM, Chrysler and Ford ALL had some engines that had gasket and
other problems as the result of the asbestos ban . There was four different
materials used to replace asbestos, two worked and two didn't. If you used
one of the two you had problems. One that failed, went quickly and the other
much later. Toyota and Chrysler had some that went in the first 25K or less
and were handled under warranty. GM and Ford used the one that went out
around 75K, after thousands had been sold, and were out of warranty. That
is why Ford sued and won a court settlement with the gasket manufacturers,
for all users.. Ford extend the warranty on the effected 3.8L to 100K

Modern Ford engines do not distribute any fuel via the manifold, just air.
The fuel is injected into each cylinder. Nearly every manufacturer now
uses composite manifolds. Composite manifolds cost the engine manufacturer
more than iron manifold, but lees than aluminum, so cost is not the factor,
its weight. Weight is ALWAYS a factor in todays cars.



mike



"DH" <dh (AT) stargate (DOT) com> wrote

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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message
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The 3.8 was a great engine until the government made the gasket
manufactures stop using asbestos. Those 3.8 built in the years before
and after the gasket problem was settled were tough as nails.

mike

Oddly enough, although Toyota and Honda were also forbidden to use
asbestos they managed to avoid using crappy gaskets that failed early.

Who says they did?

Neither did most other Ford engines. Nor most Chevies and Chryslers.

It wasn't that asbestos was no longer allowed to be used, but, rather,
that Ford came out with a bad design. If Ford had to come out with a new
design, so did other engine makers. Most other engine makers did not
come
out with a bad design. Ford didn't have to make a bad engine, either.

Jeff

It wasn't a bad design...as long as it had the right gasket. Mike's
right...it WAS a good engine, a good trade between power and efficiency.
But again, regulation killed it.

And I found something else interesting. In the mid-late 90's they
switched
to a plastic intake. Heard many horror stories of the intakes melting!
Stupidity?

Nah...here in New England a lot of states require Ethanol in the fuel.
The
intake was not designed for this, so, in Mass particularly, there were a
lot of meltdowns of the intakes.

I'd blame that on the State before Ford. Ford reaponded to the problem
and
altered the material.

You could do that but you would be wrong. "Gasohol" dates back the late
'70's. I was using it in my '79 Monza. Every Ford built after that date
should have been prepared to deal with sizeable amounts of alcohol in the
fuel.


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Default Re: GM still #1 - 03-11-2007 , 07:40 PM







"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote

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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:37 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:

And, why are you here if you're such a cheerleader for GM?
You already know the answer to that question.

*snipping rest*

Natalie




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Default Re: GM still #1 - 03-12-2007 , 06:22 PM




"Hachiroku ????"
WickeddollŽ wrote:
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 18:28:37 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote:

And, why are you here if you're such a cheerleader for GM?

You already know the answer to that question.

Gee, no I don't...

Unless you're saying Mikey's a Troll...

*whistling innocently*

Natalie




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