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Re: Guess I shoulda left the pan on, eh? And I have NO IDEA how much fluid! -
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Actually, the filter was pretty cruddy, so I got a new one (screen, not paper) at AutoZone. Came with a gasket. There was no gasket on the pan, but I have been having leaks, so I used the gasket. Er, cork gasket that is... The old fluid was a burnt smelling dark brown (and I mean DARK brown) but not black like I had feared the dirst time I looked at the dipstick. Of course, I've added about three qts over the past two years. Put the whole mess back together and replaced 6 qts of tranny fluid, started it in neutral and let it warm up. Damn dipstick said, over full. Damn dipstick ALWAYS says over full. WTF? Went to rehearsal, and since it was still 75 degrees at 9:30, I decided to go for a drive. About 5 miles out I started smelling what smelled like burning tranny fluid, but I noticed a garage was open and someone was welding, so I let it go. Three miles after that I can into a small town where there were street lights, still smelling that smell, and then saw the *CLOUD* behind the car... Got home and saw where it was spraying out of the passenger's side of the pan onto the exhaust. Now, I also used blue (clear RTV) gasket maker. Since there was no gasket, I'm wondering if I should just go to Toyta and get some FIPG. There was reddish/orange RTV on it before, and though it leaked, it didn't spray out! Oh, and I *DID* go criss-cross with the bolts after locating the pan with the tranny. And I removed all the old RTV. And I put everything back just like it was. Except for adding the gasket. On the up side: throttle response was back! The car ran nice and smooth, and even though I have to move the lever through the gears, the shifts were just like they should be. It was (somewhat) like driving a newer car! |
washer and/or brake cleaner. The brake cleaner does not leave a film that
can contaminate the ATF so use it even if you cleaned the screen in a parts
washer.
FIPG is made from RTV, and is not meant to be used along with a neoprene or
cork gasket. IOW, the application used a conventional gasket or FIPG, not
both. If you have already applied some FIPG on the new gasket, the gasket
is probably trashed and you need another new one.
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Ray O
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:mlw0i.6587$83.4207 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. Actually, the filter was pretty cruddy, so I got a new one (screen, not paper) at AutoZone. Came with a gasket. There was no gasket on the pan, but I have been having leaks, so I used the gasket. Er, cork gasket that is... The old fluid was a burnt smelling dark brown (and I mean DARK brown) but not black like I had feared the dirst time I looked at the dipstick. Of course, I've added about three qts over the past two years. Put the whole mess back together and replaced 6 qts of tranny fluid, started it in neutral and let it warm up. Damn dipstick said, over full. Damn dipstick ALWAYS says over full. WTF? Went to rehearsal, and since it was still 75 degrees at 9:30, I decided to go for a drive. About 5 miles out I started smelling what smelled like burning tranny fluid, but I noticed a garage was open and someone was welding, so I let it go. Three miles after that I can into a small town where there were street lights, still smelling that smell, and then saw the *CLOUD* behind the car... Got home and saw where it was spraying out of the passenger's side of the pan onto the exhaust. Now, I also used blue (clear RTV) gasket maker. Since there was no gasket, I'm wondering if I should just go to Toyta and get some FIPG. There was reddish/orange RTV on it before, and though it leaked, it didn't spray out! Oh, and I *DID* go criss-cross with the bolts after locating the pan with the tranny. And I removed all the old RTV. And I put everything back just like it was. Except for adding the gasket. On the up side: throttle response was back! The car ran nice and smooth, and even though I have to move the lever through the gears, the shifts were just like they should be. It was (somewhat) like driving a newer car! Next time, save yourself some money and just clean the screen in a parts washer and/or brake cleaner. The brake cleaner does not leave a film that can contaminate the ATF so use it even if you cleaned the screen in a parts washer. FIPG is made from RTV, and is not meant to be used along with a neoprene or cork gasket. IOW, the application used a conventional gasket or FIPG, not both. If you have already applied some FIPG on the new gasket, the gasket is probably trashed and you need another new one. -- Ray O (correct punctuation to reply) |
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 23:08:37 -0500, Ray O wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:mlw0i.6587$83.4207 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. Actually, the filter was pretty cruddy, so I got a new one (screen, not paper) at AutoZone. Came with a gasket. There was no gasket on the pan, but I have been having leaks, so I used the gasket. Er, cork gasket that is... The old fluid was a burnt smelling dark brown (and I mean DARK brown) but not black like I had feared the dirst time I looked at the dipstick. Of course, I've added about three qts over the past two years. Put the whole mess back together and replaced 6 qts of tranny fluid, started it in neutral and let it warm up. Damn dipstick said, over full. Damn dipstick ALWAYS says over full. WTF? Went to rehearsal, and since it was still 75 degrees at 9:30, I decided to go for a drive. About 5 miles out I started smelling what smelled like burning tranny fluid, but I noticed a garage was open and someone was welding, so I let it go. Three miles after that I can into a small town where there were street lights, still smelling that smell, and then saw the *CLOUD* behind the car... Got home and saw where it was spraying out of the passenger's side of the pan onto the exhaust. Now, I also used blue (clear RTV) gasket maker. Since there was no gasket, I'm wondering if I should just go to Toyta and get some FIPG. There was reddish/orange RTV on it before, and though it leaked, it didn't spray out! Oh, and I *DID* go criss-cross with the bolts after locating the pan with the tranny. And I removed all the old RTV. And I put everything back just like it was. Except for adding the gasket. On the up side: throttle response was back! The car ran nice and smooth, and even though I have to move the lever through the gears, the shifts were just like they should be. It was (somewhat) like driving a newer car! Next time, save yourself some money and just clean the screen in a parts washer and/or brake cleaner. The brake cleaner does not leave a film that can contaminate the ATF so use it even if you cleaned the screen in a parts washer. FIPG is made from RTV, and is not meant to be used along with a neoprene or cork gasket. IOW, the application used a conventional gasket or FIPG, not both. If you have already applied some FIPG on the new gasket, the gasket is probably trashed and you need another new one. Hmmm....No gasket: http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Librar...ion=AT&Page=47 Well, technically, there is a gasket - formed-in-place, and not a rubber, |
Page AT-119 has a warning to clean up both mating surfaces and assemble the
parts within 10 minutes of applying the FIPG or it has to be cleaned up and
started over.
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Ray O
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On Wed, 09 May 2007 23:08:37 -0500, Ray O wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:mlw0i.6587$83.4207 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. Actually, the filter was pretty cruddy, so I got a new one (screen, not paper) at AutoZone. Came with a gasket. There was no gasket on the pan, but I have been having leaks, so I used the gasket. Er, cork gasket that is... The old fluid was a burnt smelling dark brown (and I mean DARK brown) but not black like I had feared the dirst time I looked at the dipstick. Of course, I've added about three qts over the past two years. Put the whole mess back together and replaced 6 qts of tranny fluid, started it in neutral and let it warm up. Damn dipstick said, over full. Damn dipstick ALWAYS says over full. WTF? Went to rehearsal, and since it was still 75 degrees at 9:30, I decided to go for a drive. About 5 miles out I started smelling what smelled like burning tranny fluid, but I noticed a garage was open and someone was welding, so I let it go. Three miles after that I can into a small town where there were street lights, still smelling that smell, and then saw the *CLOUD* behind the car... Got home and saw where it was spraying out of the passenger's side of the pan onto the exhaust. Now, I also used blue (clear RTV) gasket maker. Since there was no gasket, I'm wondering if I should just go to Toyta and get some FIPG. There was reddish/orange RTV on it before, and though it leaked, it didn't spray out! Oh, and I *DID* go criss-cross with the bolts after locating the pan with the tranny. And I removed all the old RTV. And I put everything back just like it was. Except for adding the gasket. On the up side: throttle response was back! The car ran nice and smooth, and even though I have to move the lever through the gears, the shifts were just like they should be. It was (somewhat) like driving a newer car! Next time, save yourself some money and just clean the screen in a parts washer and/or brake cleaner. The brake cleaner does not leave a film that can contaminate the ATF so use it even if you cleaned the screen in a parts washer. FIPG is made from RTV, and is not meant to be used along with a neoprene or cork gasket. IOW, the application used a conventional gasket or FIPG, not both. If you have already applied some FIPG on the new gasket, the gasket is probably trashed and you need another new one. Hmmm....NOW he tells me! |
the next time you have it apart!
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There was no gasket, and IIRC< there *IS* no gasket according to the TSRM... And, I did clean the filter with brake cleaner, but it was pretty full of gunk...and when I saw the metal I decided to go with a new one... |
compressor. Give the old screen a generous coating of brake cleaner, loosen
the stuff on the screen with the toothbrush, and blow it off. Give the
screen a coating of ATF, wrap it in a few layers of wax paper, and seal it
up in a plastic bag for the next time.
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Ray O
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Get brake cleaner, an old toothbrush, and a blower nozzle for your compressor. Give the old screen a generous coating of brake cleaner, loosen the stuff on the screen with the toothbrush, and blow it off. Give the screen a coating of ATF, wrap it in a few layers of wax paper, and seal it up in a plastic bag for the next time. |
do that because the metal screen seemed too fragile, even though it
was made of steel, and I once saw a screen with a tiny tear in it.
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Ray O wrote: Get brake cleaner, an old toothbrush, and a blower nozzle for your compressor. Give the old screen a generous coating of brake cleaner, loosen the stuff on the screen with the toothbrush, and blow it off. Give the screen a coating of ATF, wrap it in a few layers of wax paper, and seal it up in a plastic bag for the next time. Is it safe to use a toothbrush on the filter screen? I was afraid to do that because the metal screen seemed too fragile, even though it was made of steel, and I once saw a screen with a tiny tear in it. |
philosophy is that if you ruin something that you were going to have to
replace anyway, you not really that far behind - nothing lost, nothing
gained.
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Ray O
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On Thu, 10 May 2007 00:15:46 -0500, Ray O wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:jHx0i.6626$Kz1.2628 (AT) trndny09 (DOT) .. On Wed, 09 May 2007 23:08:37 -0500, Ray O wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:mlw0i.6587$83.4207 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. Actually, the filter was pretty cruddy, so I got a new one (screen, not paper) at AutoZone. Came with a gasket. There was no gasket on the pan, but I have been having leaks, so I used the gasket. Er, cork gasket that is... The old fluid was a burnt smelling dark brown (and I mean DARK brown) but not black like I had feared the dirst time I looked at the dipstick. Of course, I've added about three qts over the past two years. Put the whole mess back together and replaced 6 qts of tranny fluid, started it in neutral and let it warm up. Damn dipstick said, over full. Damn dipstick ALWAYS says over full. WTF? Went to rehearsal, and since it was still 75 degrees at 9:30, I decided to go for a drive. About 5 miles out I started smelling what smelled like burning tranny fluid, but I noticed a garage was open and someone was welding, so I let it go. Three miles after that I can into a small town where there were street lights, still smelling that smell, and then saw the *CLOUD* behind the car... Got home and saw where it was spraying out of the passenger's side of the pan onto the exhaust. Now, I also used blue (clear RTV) gasket maker. Since there was no gasket, I'm wondering if I should just go to Toyta and get some FIPG. There was reddish/orange RTV on it before, and though it leaked, it didn't spray out! Oh, and I *DID* go criss-cross with the bolts after locating the pan with the tranny. And I removed all the old RTV. And I put everything back just like it was. Except for adding the gasket. On the up side: throttle response was back! The car ran nice and smooth, and even though I have to move the lever through the gears, the shifts were just like they should be. It was (somewhat) like driving a newer car! Next time, save yourself some money and just clean the screen in a parts washer and/or brake cleaner. The brake cleaner does not leave a film that can contaminate the ATF so use it even if you cleaned the screen in a parts washer. FIPG is made from RTV, and is not meant to be used along with a neoprene or cork gasket. IOW, the application used a conventional gasket or FIPG, not both. If you have already applied some FIPG on the new gasket, the gasket is probably trashed and you need another new one. Hmmm....No gasket: http://www.cygnusx1.net/Supra/Librar...ion=AT&Page=47 Well, technically, there is a gasket - formed-in-place, and not a rubber, cork, or fiber gasket. Page AT-51 shows using the SST to cut the FIPG and Page AT-119 has a warning to clean up both mating surfaces and assemble the parts within 10 minutes of applying the FIPG or it has to be cleaned up and started over. $18 for FIPG?!?!?! And, saying "Ray O. sent me" didn't do any good...in fact, I think they charged me *extra*! (remember Gordon the Parts guy? He's still there...) |
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So, do over. I got the FIPG for trans pans, brake cleaner and new plug gaskets...here we go again! |
parts store.
As far as the do-over, think of it as a learning experience!
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Ray O
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As far as the do-over, think of it as a learning experience! Oh, yeah! NEVER USE A CORK GASKET! I was questioning the cork gasket when I saw it. The filter for my Mom's Camry, same store, came with a neoprene gasket. I've heard too many stories about cork either leaking or getting stuck, or just plain deteriorating. |
owned Fords) change my Toy transmission fluids.
Every time he changed my '92 Corolla wagon....it leaked a bit.
I got tired of hearing how it was leaking from the Toy dealer every
time I took it in for an oil change.
Bought the gasket from Toy and did it myself. No leak at all!
I'll pay more not to have a problem later....
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Scott in Florida
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Oh, yeah! NEVER USE A CORK GASKET! I was questioning the cork gasket when I saw it. The filter for my Mom's Camry, same store, came with a neoprene gasket. I've heard too many stories about cork either leaking or getting stuck, or just plain deteriorating. |
particles and not much rubber, while OEM gaskets have tiny cork
particles and more rubber.
I use rubber-coated gaskets that were $1 apiece from a transmission
supply house.
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snipped As far as the do-over, think of it as a learning experience! Oh, yeah! NEVER USE A CORK GASKET! I was questioning the cork gasket when I saw it. The filter for my Mom's Camry, same store, came with a neoprene gasket. I've heard too many stories about cork either leaking or getting stuck, or just plain deteriorating. |
have synthetic corks now!
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Ray O
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