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Re: no wonder the US auto industry is dying
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Re: no wonder the US auto industry is dying -
10-20-2005
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mpCcnZ2I8I-gQ8veUSdV9g (AT) ptd (DOT) net... Same is true when one goes to an old car show. Lots of domestic and European sedans from the sixties seventies and eighties, when Japanese cars sold well in the US, but one never if ever sees a Japanese car from that era except a 'Z' car or RX7 on occasion. The so called superiority of Japanese vehicles in more myth than fact. In the fleet service that I once owned we serviced thousands of vehicles monthly, from just about any brand you can name, for fleets that generally kept their vehicle in service for five years or 300K WOF. Japanese vehicles in general did no better on average that any others. The biggest problem with Japanese cars is the extraordinarily higher repair costs vs. domestic, when they need to repaired. They all will need to be repaired over the long term at which corporate fleets keep their vehicles. Whenever one hears somebody comparing their newer Toyota to the pieced of crap brand 'X' they used to own, it is generally one that was built 15 years ago or so. Japanese car of 15 years ago were not as good as what is sold today either. If one looks at the way CR and Powers rates vehicles the do so as a list from best to worse. In reality, if you look at the same list in percentages, EVERY manufacture making some that have a failure rate between 2% and 2 1/2%. What they are really saying is every manufacture builds vehicles, that the consumer can buy, that has a 97 1/2% to 98% chance of being a great reliable vehicle. The only real difference among vehicles today is style and price I don't believe that one bit. If this would be true, why are the resale values so much higher for Toyotas and Hondas? Market dictates a lot. A Toyota will be trouble free much longer than comparable GM or Ford. Also - let's not forget the most obvious. When you compare two similar cars from GM and Toyota, the GM has more overhead that is amortized in each car. This means cheaper parts, which means worse reliability. |
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In article <1129754754.378612.42550 (AT) g47g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com>, "st-bum" <kennykabuki (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: What about resale value? That's the market telling you a Honda or Toyota is worth a much higher % of original value than a GM or Ford. I've seen 5 year old Hondas with 100K miles for sale for 10.5K (US $). That's about 1/2 original price. Somehow the market thinks they hold their value. I'll bet money that when my Toyota is ten years old I'll get more money for it than I did for my ten year old Dodge Caravan. You probably will. I looked at a 2001 RAV4 with 44K miles. It was going |
for only $3,000 less than a new 2005 RAV4 with 2 miles. They hold their values!
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You forgot yo say in my opioion  mike hunt |
yours. It's developed by experience, knowledge and learning.
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"You've just one problem. You stand too close to the ball after you've
hit it." -- Sam Snead
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Mike Hunter, 10/20/2005,1:35:30 PM, wrote: You forgot yo say in my opioion mike hunt I did in different words. Besides, my opinion is just as valid as yours. It's developed by experience, knowledge and learning. -- "You've just one problem. You stand too close to the ball after you've hit it." -- Sam Snead |
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You forgot to say in my opinion. mike hunt |
Did you say 'in my opinion' as well? Don't think so.
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:OR-cnY2WNNSQS8reUSdV9g (AT) ptd (DOT) net... You forgot to say in my opinion. mike hunt Pot calling the Kettle black? Did you say 'in my opinion' as well? Don't think so. |
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I was not expressing an opinion. I seldom express an opinion, just facts that I know to be true. If I do chose to express an opinion I use the term 'personally.' mike hunt |
fact.
You seem to support your arguments by bringing up one or two examples that
you were involved in. I am looking at the big picture (yes i was also burned
by a U.S. made car)
But - just so you know, I WISH this was not true. I wish American made cars
were better. As a matter of fact I had to pickup my neighbor yesterday,
whose Pontiac Grand Am (02 model) broke down on the highway.
Until unions are a thing of the past, American manufacturers can't compete
in todays economy.
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"Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote in message news:HGCdne1WJ7VwrcTeUSdV9g (AT) ptd (DOT) net... I was not expressing an opinion. I seldom express an opinion, just facts that I know to be true. If I do chose to express an opinion I use the term 'personally.' mike hunt Toyota and Honda make more reliable vehicles than Ford, GM and Chrysler is a fact. You seem to support your arguments by bringing up one or two examples that you were involved in. I am looking at the big picture (yes i was also burned by a U.S. made car) But - just so you know, I WISH this was not true. I wish American made cars were better. As a matter of fact I had to pickup my neighbor yesterday, whose Pontiac Grand Am (02 model) broke down on the highway. Until unions are a thing of the past, American manufacturers can't compete in todays economy. |
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You certainly are entitled to your opinion but it the opinion of a MINORITY of American buyers, not a fact. More American are obviously of the opinion that GM, Ford and Chrysler make vehicles that are as reliable as those made by Toyota and Honda. Buyers vote with their wallets. They put their money where their mouth is and they continue to buy far more GM, Ford and Chrysler vehicles than they buy Toyota and Honda vehicles, period. If you care to do a search you will find GM, Ford and Chrysler continually have sold more vehicle than ALL of the import brands combined and that IS a fact not my opinion. |
Honda is also growing.
GM is sagging fast. Having just rented an Impalla I could see why,
auto transmission technology older than in my 1995 Chrysler Concord.
Chrysler is doing OK with it's heavy 300 model only.
Ford is confused.
The big 3 can't be profitable with sales sagging.
The big 3 are losing large vehicle sales and have missed the smaller SUV
market, such as the Toyota Matrix.
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In article <GImcnTnqWOtP3cTeUSdV9g (AT) ptd (DOT) net>, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2 (AT) mailcity (DOT) com> wrote: You certainly are entitled to your opinion but it the opinion of a MINORITY of American buyers, not a fact. More American are obviously of the opinion that GM, Ford and Chrysler make vehicles that are as reliable as those made by Toyota and Honda. Buyers vote with their wallets. They put their money where their mouth is and they continue to buy far more GM, Ford and Chrysler vehicles than they buy Toyota and Honda vehicles, period. If you care to do a search you will find GM, Ford and Chrysler continually have sold more vehicle than ALL of the import brands combined and that IS a fact not my opinion. Toyota is closing in very quickly on the #1 spot. Honda is also growing. GM is sagging fast. Having just rented an Impalla I could see why, auto transmission technology older than in my 1995 Chrysler Concord. Chrysler is doing OK with it's heavy 300 model only. Ford is confused. The big 3 can't be profitable with sales sagging. The big 3 are losing large vehicle sales and have missed the smaller SUV market, such as the Toyota Matrix. |
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