Re: {OT} Death Panels in House Bill....

#21

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:19:05 -0400, ByTor wrote:

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And BTW, COBRA is the fucking stupidest alternative I ever seen in my
life. When I was laid off from a fortune 500 comapany it was offered, it
would have swallowed most of my unemployment benefits to keep a family
plan.

NO SH!T!!

The union backed them down to only one unemployment check a month, but
that only lasted 3 months.

#22

On Oct 30, 6:32 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:29:01 -0400, ByTor wrote:

Anybody uninsured. You know what I meant. It is an one of the many
understated, dog whistle points here that all illegals are uninsured.

So once again 95% of Americans that have private coverage are punished to
pay for dead beats that *ARE* breaking the law or entering emergency rooms
knowing full well they have no insurance legal or illegal, how do you
people defend that........THEY ARE BREAKING the law period by being here,
why is there compromise? They should recieve NO GOVERNMENT money period,
if they want private insurance go for it & pay like everybody else.

Not neccessarily. When I was unemployed (but made TOO MUCH for Mass
Health, before Romney) I was going to a free clinic and the ER. Of course,
I would go to the clinic first, but before that when I was living in
another town that had no clinic I would go to whatever Dr would take $20,
or the ER.

So, yes, you were paying for my health care. But then, I'm not illegal.
And Mass hospitals, even WITH Romney's health care, cannot deny care to
people who cannot pay.

Why would I feel better about having government money spent on you
rather than an illegal alien? When it comes to money I don't care
about the health of you or an illegal. You are both sink holes for
my tax money.

#23

On Oct 30, 6:34 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
You and JSB are beginning to approach Blind Fool Idiot status.- Hide
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You believe in "Death Panels" and I'm approaching Blind Fool status?! The
only Death Panels in existence are the ones the Insurance companies run
when they deny treatment.

Where did I say I believed in Death Panels? Look back at what I said.

What a wimpy retort. You see death panels in the health reform bill.

#24

On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:37:40 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:

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On Oct 30, 6:34 pm, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ*ã‚¯ <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
You and JSB are beginning to approach Blind Fool Idiot status.- Hide
quoted text -

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You believe in "Death Panels" and I'm approaching Blind Fool status?!
The only Death Panels in existence are the ones the Insurance
companies run when they deny treatment.

Where did I say I believed in Death Panels? Look back at what I said.

What a wimpy retort. You see death panels in the health reform bill.

Uninformed people should not have any say in government.
Turn in your voting card.

#25

On Oct 31, 11:20 am, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:

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On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:37:40 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
On Oct 30, 6:34 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
You and JSB are beginning to approach Blind Fool Idiot status.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You believe in "Death Panels" and I'm approaching Blind Fool status?!
The only Death Panels in existence are the ones the Insurance
companies run when they deny treatment.

Where did I say I believed in Death Panels? Look back at what I said.

What a wimpy retort. You see death panels in the health reform bill.

Uninformed people should not have any say in government.
Turn in your voting card.

You are a Fascist. You are anti-democracy. You should not be allowed
to vote. You should consider finding a country without a constitution
like ours where you will be happy.

#26

On Sat, 31 Oct 2009 09:18:00 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:

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On Oct 31, 11:20 am, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ*ã‚¯ <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:37:40 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
On Oct 30, 6:34 pm, Hachiroku ãƒãƒãƒ*ã‚¯ <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:10:58 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
You and JSB are beginning to approach Blind Fool Idiot status.-
Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

You believe in "Death Panels" and I'm approaching Blind Fool
status?! The only Death Panels in existence are the ones the
Insurance companies run when they deny treatment.

Where did I say I believed in Death Panels? Look back at what I said.

What a wimpy retort. You see death panels in the health reform bill.

Uninformed people should not have any say in government. Turn in your
voting card.

You are a Fascist. You are anti-democracy. You should not be allowed to
vote. You should consider finding a country without a constitution like
ours where you will be happy.

YOU don't know where I got the term "Death Panel" OR what I meant by it!

Have a look at the bill your deities on the hill are getting ready to pass
and tell me where the "Death Panel" comes from, and who comprises it.

And, what the consequences are for treating someone deemed to be
'untreatable'.

Then we'll give you your voter ID back.

#27

"ByTor" <ByTor (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <abaf1c4a-e779-4772-853b-b74f1564e543
@m25g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, edspyhill01 (AT) gmail (DOT) com says...

On Oct 30, 2:57 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:44:55 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
On Oct 30, 3:36 pm, ByTor <By... (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote:
In article <e05me59pg9ncinb4rd1ljirm159h10r... (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mov... (AT) outa (DOT) here says...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374293/posts

Sarah was right.

Bambi lies....

I believe, now I'm not exactly sure *yet*, I think they will be
sneaking
in coverage for illegals as well.......That is, *USE* government
money.

Anybody who goes to an emergency room has their bill paid by you and
I.

ANybody? I have an insurance plan. That pays for my ER visits.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anybody uninsured. You know what I meant. It is an one of the many
understated, dog whistle points here that all illegals are uninsured.

So once again 95% of Americans that have private coverage are punished
to pay for dead beats that *ARE* breaking the law or entering emergency
rooms knowing full well they have no insurance legal or illegal, how do
you people defend that........THEY ARE BREAKING the law period by being
here, why is there compromise? They should recieve NO GOVERNMENT money
period, if they want private insurance go for it & pay like everybody
else.

And to your point that people assume *ALL* illegals have no insurance,
that's just a spin point & is useless in the argument & has nothing to
do with the issue. The point blank issue is *government* money used for
illegals, period.

If you are brought to the hospital unconscious and without ID after some
sort of accident, you will also be treated with no questions asked.
Obviously, your family will catch up with the situation eventually and your
insurance info will reach the billing department, but what if you had no
family? Would you rather be left to die because your wallet got lost in the
accident?

#28

In article <nF%Gm.3577$3P2.3498 (AT) newsfe09 (DOT) iad>, newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net
says...

Quote:

"ByTor" <ByTor (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:00673a50$0$23364$c3e8da3 (AT) news (DOT) astraweb.com...
In article <abaf1c4a-e779-4772-853b-b74f1564e543
@m25g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, edspyhill01 (AT) gmail (DOT) com says...

On Oct 30, 2:57 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:44:55 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
On Oct 30, 3:36 pm, ByTor <By... (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote:
In article <e05me59pg9ncinb4rd1ljirm159h10r... (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mov... (AT) outa (DOT) here says...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374293/posts

Sarah was right.

Bambi lies....

I believe, now I'm not exactly sure *yet*, I think they will be
sneaking
in coverage for illegals as well.......That is, *USE* government
money.

Anybody who goes to an emergency room has their bill paid by you and
I.

ANybody? I have an insurance plan. That pays for my ER visits.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anybody uninsured. You know what I meant. It is an one of the many
understated, dog whistle points here that all illegals are uninsured.

So once again 95% of Americans that have private coverage are punished
to pay for dead beats that *ARE* breaking the law or entering emergency
rooms knowing full well they have no insurance legal or illegal, how do
you people defend that........THEY ARE BREAKING the law period by being
here, why is there compromise? They should recieve NO GOVERNMENT money
period, if they want private insurance go for it & pay like everybody
else.

And to your point that people assume *ALL* illegals have no insurance,
that's just a spin point & is useless in the argument & has nothing to
do with the issue. The point blank issue is *government* money used for
illegals, period.

If you are brought to the hospital unconscious and without ID after some
sort of accident, you will also be treated with no questions asked.
Obviously, your family will catch up with the situation eventually and your
insurance info will reach the billing department, but what if you had no
family? Would you rather be left to die because your wallet got lost in the
accident?

Joe, I don't think that's a very good example, it seems extreme. I have
NEVER said no one should be treated, never. What I have been saying all
along is that *NO ONE* in this administration or the media has *EVER*
explained just who & why these individuals are not insured, they lie
about the numbers & never give concrete evidence, just speculation on
*why* they think they are not insured. And I will not waver from the
illegal issue, we cater to much to people that break the law, BUT I
never said NO ONE should be turned away if they are illegal, its in our
nature I believe as a country to not be cold hearted bastards but still,
the issues have to be addressed properly not all this idealogical
nonsense that's going on & political claptrap.

#29

"JoeSpareBedroom" <newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message
news

an.2009.10.30.18.12.29.324110 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:55:05 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:

"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message
news

an.2009.10.30.17.48.45.104509 (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS...
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:28:32 -0400, Scott in Florida wrote:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374293/posts

Sarah was right.

Bambi lies....

They pretty much passed the same bill they had right from the start.
You
know, the one everyone protested against?

Death panel. Funny.

Read the bill. It places the onus of the "death panel" on the Doctor.
While this has been the case in the past, there is a provision that if a
Doctor goes an extra measure to prolong the life of an elderly patient,
he
can have some of his compensation (read: PAY) witheld for not following
guidelines.

I'm sure there are insurance companies that do this. Now the government
wants to also.

What's the difference?

Who invented the term "death panel" anyway? Was it the doublewide ho from
Alaska? Glenn Beck? Other?

The term "doublewide ho" is best reserved for YOUR Ma.

#30

"ByTor" <ByTor (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

In article <nF%Gm.3577$3P2.3498 (AT) newsfe09 (DOT) iad>, newstrash (AT) frontiernet (DOT) net
says...

"ByTor" <ByTor (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:00673a50$0$23364$c3e8da3 (AT) news (DOT) astraweb.com...
In article <abaf1c4a-e779-4772-853b-b74f1564e543
@m25g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>, edspyhill01 (AT) gmail (DOT) com says...

On Oct 30, 2:57 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru... (AT) e86 (DOT) GTS> wrote:
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:44:55 -0700, edspyhill01 wrote:
On Oct 30, 3:36 pm, ByTor <By... (AT) snowdog (DOT) com> wrote:
In article <e05me59pg9ncinb4rd1ljirm159h10r... (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>,
Mov... (AT) outa (DOT) here says...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2374293/posts

Sarah was right.

Bambi lies....

I believe, now I'm not exactly sure *yet*, I think they will be
sneaking
in coverage for illegals as well.......That is, *USE* government
money.

Anybody who goes to an emergency room has their bill paid by you
and
I.

ANybody? I have an insurance plan. That pays for my ER visits.- Hide
quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Anybody uninsured. You know what I meant. It is an one of the many
understated, dog whistle points here that all illegals are uninsured.

So once again 95% of Americans that have private coverage are punished
to pay for dead beats that *ARE* breaking the law or entering emergency
rooms knowing full well they have no insurance legal or illegal, how do
you people defend that........THEY ARE BREAKING the law period by being
here, why is there compromise? They should recieve NO GOVERNMENT money
period, if they want private insurance go for it & pay like everybody
else.

And to your point that people assume *ALL* illegals have no insurance,
that's just a spin point & is useless in the argument & has nothing to
do with the issue. The point blank issue is *government* money used for
illegals, period.

If you are brought to the hospital unconscious and without ID after some
sort of accident, you will also be treated with no questions asked.
Obviously, your family will catch up with the situation eventually and
your
insurance info will reach the billing department, but what if you had no
family? Would you rather be left to die because your wallet got lost in
the
accident?

Joe, I don't think that's a very good example, it seems extreme. I have
NEVER said no one should be treated, never. What I have been saying all
along is that *NO ONE* in this administration or the media has *EVER*
explained just who & why these individuals are not insured, they lie
about the numbers & never give concrete evidence, just speculation on
*why* they think they are not insured. And I will not waver from the
illegal issue, we cater to much to people that break the law, BUT I
never said NO ONE should be turned away if they are illegal, its in our
nature I believe as a country to not be cold hearted bastards but still,
the issues have to be addressed properly not all this idealogical
nonsense that's going on & political claptrap.

I agree that we don't know **ALL** the reasons why certain people are not
insured, but I was for a short time after my divorce, due to a temporary job
change issue which coincided with a nasty agreement in the divorce papers. I
made about $23.00 too much to be covered by NY's low income plan, and had a
(very modest) mortgage to pay. Because of layoffs at Xerox, Delco & Kodak,
there've been a few thousand people in the exact same situation around here.
We're not talking about illegals. These are people who need some kind of
interim deal which covers the grey area after COBRA runs out.