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Re: OT Merry Christmas...It's the LAW!!! -
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On Sat, 17 Dec 2005 19:22:48 -0500, WickeddollŽ wrote: "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:Qcudnev6wIu86jneRVn-ug (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... You miss the point. Wishing someone Merry Christmas is an expression of the wishor's faith, not the wishee's faith. *nodding* If you are without faith in God, then you can wish Merry Christmas and be a parrot, or wish Happy Holiday and show all that you have no faith. (A wise man, I think it was WC Fields, once said, it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.). I disagree there - I say "Happy Holidays" because I respect the beliefs (Or non beliefs) of others. People with faith in God almost universally will wish Merry Christmas to everybody. The wish has no reflection on the faith of people receiving the wish. And, people of different faith, or no faith at all, should accept the warm wishes in the spirit in which they were given, not as an insult or affront to their faith or the lack thereof. *nodding again* If you don't believe in a diety, what's the harm? What always gets me is how angry some atheists get about religion, even when you don't attack them for their stance. If you're so sure we're foolish to believe, why does it bother you so much that we do? My having faith has no impact on your life whatsoever. Only the extremists (Either way) are the real danger, not the average believer like myself. And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. It's the people that lack faith that lack the proof. If one lacks faith that God exists, then the proof that people of faith have will not be accepted. So, people of faith are not agnostic according to the definition you give us. A believer is by all definitions not an agnostic because his proof is given and accepted. The fact that you might not accept the proof he offers does not diminish his proof for him. *high-five* Sheesh. Natalie midlant (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote in message news:1134523681.067966.219760 (AT) g44g2000cwa (DOT) googlegroups.com... And a happy Chrismahanukwanzakaa to the rest or you. Any thinking believer or non-believer will have to admit that they are agnostic, too,. Karl You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! |
are wrong. "Merry Christmas" is very much about religion.
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Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!! |
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And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. |
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Jeff Strickland wrote: And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. Too bad there is no proof. |
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Hey, folks, Have a Cool Yule amd a Frantic First |
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Jeff Strickland wrote: And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. Too bad there is no proof. There's plenty of proof to me, too bad you don't believe it. |
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| You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! |
spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not
the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of
religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the
religious implications.
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Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. |
existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and
Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of
Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could
be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is
about.
Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and
endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no
reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing
it.
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"Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news  an.2005.12.18.03.59.40.161832 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! Yes, but the offense caused by the official government sponsored holiday spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the religious implications. Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. No, I don't. But, if I lose the battle to keep Christmas as the name of the existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is about. Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing it. |
shouldn't get your head ripped off for saying "Merry Christmas." This whole
thing is so preposterous - I can't believe it's even a big issue!
Natalie
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Jeff Strickland wrote: And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. Too bad there is no proof. |
surprise me one bit, unfortunately.
Natalie
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4dmdnVcI5asNNzjenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2005.12.18.03.59.40.161832 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! Yes, but the offense caused by the official government sponsored holiday spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the religious implications. Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. No, I don't. But, if I lose the battle to keep Christmas as the name of the existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is about. Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing it. Very, very well put. But I also agree with Hachi's stance that you shouldn't get your head ripped off for saying "Merry Christmas." This whole thing is so preposterous - I can't believe it's even a big issue! Natalie |
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