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Re: OT Merry Christmas...It's the LAW!!! -
12-18-2005
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On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 10:29:15 -0800, Jeff Strickland wrote: "Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news  an.2005.12.18.03.59.40.161832 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! Yes, but the offense caused by the official government sponsored holiday spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the religious implications. Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. No, I don't. But, if I lose the battle to keep Christmas as the name of the existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is about. Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing it. Well, you and I know that, but the PC crowd just sees God all over the place. I don't know how they do, I don't. I just get on these bandwagons to show the PC crowd how stupid they really are. But, *I* also get offended, TOO! So there! I was really offended watching WBZ-4 from Boston when they were showing the "Holiday Tree" (as called by the city of Boston) and they did a poll of people walking by. Some black guy with a do-rag on his head says, "It's a Christmas tree; it's to help us celebrate the holidays and gathers families around it." Knock me over with a feather!!! Then they ask a young (Mid-late 20's) white woman; "It's a holiday tree. It symbolizes whatever hiliday it is you celebrate." Bzzzt..thanks for playing! It is a CHRISTMAS TREE, you PC nimrod! The black guy had it right. It symbolizes Christmas! That's why it's a CHRISTMAS TREE! Arrrggggghhhh!!! (don't mind me. I'm just wrapped a little too tight today...everything I tried to do today just turned to sh!t...) /rant off |
</rant off> is a double negative, leaving the rant on. You really meant
<rant off> or </rant>, assuming you started with <rant on>
PS
I hope your nickle runs out soon. ;-)
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"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:do3vj7.1i8.1 (AT) news (DOT) evilcabal.org... "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4dmdnVcI5asNNzjenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2005.12.18.03.59.40.161832 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! Yes, but the offense caused by the official government sponsored holiday spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the religious implications. Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. No, I don't. But, if I lose the battle to keep Christmas as the name of the existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is about. Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing it. Very, very well put. But I also agree with Hachi's stance that you shouldn't get your head ripped off for saying "Merry Christmas." This whole thing is so preposterous - I can't believe it's even a big issue! Natalie And who has gotten their "head ripped off for saying 'Merry Christmas?'" |
It is such a common occurance that retailers are saying Happy Holidays in
place of Merry Christmas. Schools across the country have Winter Break
instead of the Christmas Holiday, and Lowes now sells Holiday Trees in
english, but they still sell Christmas Trees in spanish, thinking (I
suppose) that the gringos won't notice. "Merry Christmas," is officially a
non-PC thing to say. Merry Christmas.
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"WickeddollŽ" ... "Jeff Strickland" ... "Hachiroku" ... You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! Yes, but the offense caused by the official government sponsored holiday spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the religious implications. Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. No, I don't. But, if I lose the battle to keep Christmas as the name of the existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is about. Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing it. Very, very well put. But I also agree with Hachi's stance that you shouldn't get your head ripped off for saying "Merry Christmas." This whole thing is so preposterous - I can't believe it's even a big issue! Natalie And who has gotten their "head ripped off for saying 'Merry Christmas?'" |
illustrates the point.
Natalie
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Having said that, the Jewish people I know don't seem to mind when I greet them with, "Merry Christmas." The greeting is, after all, an expression of my faith, not theirs. I don't see it that way...I think you're wishing that -they- |
well.
Seems kind of odd to wish -yourself- "a happy and prosperous New
Year' doesn't it now?...
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: snip Having said that, the Jewish people I know don't seem to mind when I greet them with, "Merry Christmas." The greeting is, after all, an expression of my faith, not theirs. I don't see it that way...I think you're wishing that -they- have a 'Merry Christmas' and a happy and prosperous New Year as well. Seems kind of odd to wish -yourself- "a happy and prosperous New Year' doesn't it now?... -- |
be an expression of their faith, not mine. Likewise, I greet people with
Merry Christmas, and that is an expression of my faith, not theirs.
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"Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mcvbq1t7evo1sn6ub39vtlro6ok30m50j5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: snip Having said that, the Jewish people I know don't seem to mind when I greet them with, "Merry Christmas." The greeting is, after all, an expression of my faith, not theirs. I don't see it that way...I think you're wishing that -they- have a 'Merry Christmas' and a happy and prosperous New Year as well. Seems kind of odd to wish -yourself- "a happy and prosperous New Year' doesn't it now?... -- I'm pretty sure that if a Jewish person greeted me with, "Shalom," it would be an expression of their faith, not mine. Likewise, I greet people with Merry Christmas, and that is an expression of my faith, not theirs. "Shalom" means 'peace', so I wouldn't see that as particularly Jewish. I |
:-)
Natalie
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"Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:mcvbq1t7evo1sn6ub39vtlro6ok30m50j5 (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote: snip Having said that, the Jewish people I know don't seem to mind when I greet them with, "Merry Christmas." The greeting is, after all, an expression of my faith, not theirs. I don't see it that way...I think you're wishing that -they- have a 'Merry Christmas' and a happy and prosperous New Year as well. Seems kind of odd to wish -yourself- "a happy and prosperous New Year' doesn't it now?... -- I'm pretty sure that if a Jewish person greeted me with, "Shalom," it would be an expression of their faith, not mine. Likewise, I greet people with Merry Christmas, and that is an expression of my faith, not theirs. |
welcome to hold that belief if you wish.
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-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
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Well, I, for one, don't think so...you, however are certainly welcome to hold that belief if you wish. |
Nobody gives a rat's ass that you are easily offended. That's YOUR problem,
not ours. See a shrink and get over yourself.
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"Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ue3cq19i0ooffc00qpr4aes06h6ple9eeo (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Well, I, for one, don't think so...you, however are certainly welcome to hold that belief if you wish. Nobody gives a rat's ass that you are easily offended. That's YOUR problem, not ours. See a shrink and get over yourself. |
Natalie
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"Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:LKqdnZPKsLABjDvenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ue3cq19i0ooffc00qpr4aes06h6ple9eeo (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Well, I, for one, don't think so...you, however are certainly welcome to hold that belief if you wish. Nobody gives a rat's ass that you are easily offended. That's YOUR problem, not ours. See a shrink and get over yourself. Whoa - where did Gord say he was offended? |
He didn't say HE was offended, but he's taking the side that Christmas
should be removed from the public sphere, particularly from government. One
of the many reasons is that Christmas is by its nature non-inclusive, and
taking that position is much the same as saying it's offensive.
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