 | |
Re: OT Merry Christmas...It's the LAW!!!
Toyota Discussions related to Toyota cars and trucks (alt.autos.toyota)
 |
| | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
#41
 
| |||
| |||
|
Re: OT Merry Christmas...It's the LAW!!! -
12-19-2005
, 12:24 AM
|
On Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:31:33 +0000, dh wrote: "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:do3vj7.1i8.1 (AT) news (DOT) evilcabal.org... "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:4dmdnVcI5asNNzjenZ2dnUVZ_tGdnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news  an.2005.12.18.03.59.40.161832 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...You guys have turned this into a Religious discussion! The whole point of the post was to point out that Merry Christmas has NOTHING to do with religion! It has to do with a Federal Holiday. Christmas was designated a Federal Holiday! Yes, but the offense caused by the official government sponsored holiday spirit arises from the religious connotation of the greeting. Whether or not the official name of the holiday, the problem with it arises out of religion, therefore any discussion of the problems caused has to include the religious implications. Do you say something like "Have a good Feast" for Thanksgiving? No. Do you say Happy Signing of the Decalration? No. Saying Merry Christmas is nothing more than recognizing that Christmas is a Federal Holiday, just like ANY other Federal Holiday. so there. No, I don't. But, if I lose the battle to keep Christmas as the name of the existing Federal Holiday, then I'll soon lose the same fight over Easter and Thanksgiving, and perhaps even Independance Day -- the Declaration of Independence invokes religion, therefore any celebration of this date could be construed as an endorsement, which is what the fight around Christmas is about. Those that wage the fight seem to confuse recognition of religion and endorsement of religion. The two are not the same thing, and there is no reason society -- government -- can't recognize religion without endorsing it. Very, very well put. But I also agree with Hachi's stance that you shouldn't get your head ripped off for saying "Merry Christmas." This whole thing is so preposterous - I can't believe it's even a big issue! Natalie And who has gotten their "head ripped off for saying 'Merry Christmas?'" Kids suspended from schools, letters sent home to parent reminding them of the "separation of Chruch and State", creche scenes removed from Town Commons (it's a Town Common, remember?) |
Well, actually, give a credible reference.
Having a creche scene removed from the town commons is not ripping someone's
head off. How does this prevent one from celebrating Christmas?
Quote:
|
-- Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!! |
#42
| |||
| |||
|
|
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:35:57 +0000, dh wrote: And, right now, Jack and Rexella Van Impe are on the TV telling me that Christmas is, in fact, a religious holiday and that it's "under attack." 1: Who? 2: I didn't listen to Tammy Faye and Jimbo, either. |
And I don't recommend following their guidance or even believing much of
what they say but I do recommend paying attention to what the Van Impes and
their ilk are up to.
Quote:
|
-- Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!! |
#43
| |||
| |||
|
|
On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:29:28 +0000, dh wrote: As long as they're inclusive, schools, etc, are certainly welcome to perform Christmas music and most appear to choose to do so. Should there be some requirement that schools perform Christmas music? How would that get under the radar of the Establishment clause of the Constitution? This isn't happening. They have "Holiday"celebrations, but the Mention of Christmas is verboten. Spokane or Seattle last year. Google it! You'll find it. |
"Christmas" concert? Is that what you want? They should not have the
option of being inclusive? You'd force this on them?
I just came from another public school "Holiday" concert. The mention of
"Christmas" does not appear to be verboten, the program included a number of
songs with Christmas in the title or Christmas in the song. Several of the
songs were in Latin. Let's break it down further. There were 26 songs
performed. Of these:
Two were about snow.
One was about Hanukkah
One was in Latin and I could not figure out what it was about.
One was a "fun" Christmas carol
Three were three relatively secular Christmas songs (Deck the Halls -
although that may actually be about pagan Yule ceremonies - I'm not sure.
If you asked any 10 people if it was a Christmas carol, I'm sure 8 would say
"yes.")
I'm not sure what two were about, they were in Latin and I don't recognize
the titles.
The rest, fourteen, were frankly religious songs about Christmas (titles
like "Hosanna in Excelsis", 'Ave Maria").
But you're not satisfied unless it's a "Christmas" concert, right?
#44
| |||
| |||
|
|
"Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2005.12.20.02.46.34.44516 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:29:28 +0000, dh wrote: As long as they're inclusive, schools, etc, are certainly welcome to perform Christmas music and most appear to choose to do so. Should there be some requirement that schools perform Christmas music? How would that get under the radar of the Establishment clause of the Constitution? This isn't happening. They have "Holiday"celebrations, but the Mention of Christmas is verboten. Spokane or Seattle last year. Google it! You'll find it. So, schools should be required to call at least one concert a year a "Christmas" concert? Is that what you want? They should not have the option of being inclusive? You'd force this on them? |
82% of us.)
My basic heartburn here, through thie entire thread, has really been that
the vociferous few have say over the Silent Majority. They win merely by
flapping their big yaps.
Quote:
|
I just came from another public school "Holiday" concert. The mention of "Christmas" does not appear to be verboten, the program included a number of songs with Christmas in the title or Christmas in the song. Several of the songs were in Latin. Let's break it down further. There were 26 songs performed. Of these: Two were about snow. One was about Hanukkah One was in Latin and I could not figure out what it was about. One was a "fun" Christmas carol Three were three relatively secular Christmas songs (Deck the Halls - although that may actually be about pagan Yule ceremonies - I'm not sure. If you asked any 10 people if it was a Christmas carol, I'm sure 8 would say "yes.") I'm not sure what two were about, they were in Latin and I don't recognize the titles. The rest, fourteen, were frankly religious songs about Christmas (titles like "Hosanna in Excelsis", 'Ave Maria"). But you're not satisfied unless it's a "Christmas" concert, right? |
You know, I haven't noticed all that much 'persecution' this year as I
have in the last two or three. Maybe these people are seeing for
themselves what fools they are.
--
Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!
#45
| |||
| |||
|
|
"Hachiroku" <Trueno (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS> wrote in message news an.2005.12.20.02.47.32.425618 (AT) ae86 (DOT) GTS...On Mon, 19 Dec 2005 05:35:57 +0000, dh wrote: And, right now, Jack and Rexella Van Impe are on the TV telling me that Christmas is, in fact, a religious holiday and that it's "under attack." 1: Who? 2: I didn't listen to Tammy Faye and Jimbo, either. From 2, you clearly do know the answer to 1. |
Quote:
|
And I don't recommend following their guidance or even believing much of what they say but I do recommend paying attention to what the Van Impes and their ilk are up to. |
than the people that would stop you kid from saying "Merry Christmas".
I don't like 'pit bulls' of any kind.
Quote:
|
-- Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!! |
Have your Virtual Pet spayed/neutered!!
#46
| |||
| |||
|
|
"dizzy" <dizzy (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote in message news:0gs9q1ddd45vc14ed7fb7ei3ttid0phe0p (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Jeff Strickland wrote: And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. Too bad there is no proof. There's plenty of proof to me, too bad you don't believe it. |
parents had different opinions, so would you. You're a lemming.
#47
| |||
| |||
|
|
"dizzy" <dizzy (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote in message news:0gs9q1ddd45vc14ed7fb7ei3ttid0phe0p (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Jeff Strickland wrote: And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. Too bad there is no proof. For *you*, no. But as negative as you usually are, Dizzy, that doesn't surprise me one bit, unfortunately. |
burn in hell for eternity? Man, what a nice, forgiving God that would
be, to do that.
#48
| |||
| |||
|
|
"Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ue3cq19i0ooffc00qpr4aes06h6ple9eeo (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Well, I, for one, don't think so...you, however are certainly welcome to hold that belief if you wish. Nobody gives a rat's ass that you are easily offended. That's YOUR problem, not ours. See a shrink and get over yourself. You deduce that I'm 'easily offended' when you read my above |
--
-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
#49
| |||
| |||
|
|
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddoll1958DIEspammersDIE (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:do4i7u.2a0.1 (AT) news (DOT) evilcabal.org... "Jeff Strickland" <crwlr (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:LKqdnZPKsLABjDvenZ2dnUVZ_sadnZ2d (AT) ez2 (DOT) net... "Gord Beaman" <gord (AT) islandtelecom (DOT) com> wrote in message news:ue3cq19i0ooffc00qpr4aes06h6ple9eeo (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Well, I, for one, don't think so...you, however are certainly welcome to hold that belief if you wish. Nobody gives a rat's ass that you are easily offended. That's YOUR problem, not ours. See a shrink and get over yourself. Whoa - where did Gord say he was offended? Sorry, my knee jerked. He didn't say HE was offended, but he's taking the side that Christmas should be removed from the public sphere, particularly from government. One of the many reasons is that Christmas is by its nature non-inclusive, and taking that position is much the same as saying it's offensive. No, you still haven't got it right Jeff... care to quote where I |
For the record, I'm very much against this 'Happy Holidays' stuff
(and 'most' PC crap in general too)
--
-Gord.
(use gordon in email)
#50
| |||
| |||
|
|
WickeddollŽ wrote: "dizzy" <dizzy (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid> wrote in message news:0gs9q1ddd45vc14ed7fb7ei3ttid0phe0p (AT) 4ax (DOT) com... Jeff Strickland wrote: And, a person of faith has all of the proof they need that God exists. Too bad there is no proof. For *you*, no. But as negative as you usually are, Dizzy, that doesn't surprise me one bit, unfortunately. Is it negative, to not think I need to "worship" some deity lest I burn in hell for eternity? Man, what a nice, forgiving God that would be, to do that. You've missed the point, but that doesn't surprise me either. What I mean |
posts, you sorely lack. You not only seem to lack faith in a deity, but in
your fellow man as well.
Of course one cannot make a determination about anyone based on their
internet postings, but I have never once seen you make a positive comment
about anything. I've only seen you criticize and rant.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again:
I sincerely hope you are not as unhappy as you seem to be.
Natalie
|
« Previous Thread
|
Next Thread »
| Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
| Display Modes | |
Linear Mode
| |
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.