Re: CAFE standards controlled by our Government? Can someone explain why?

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?

Bob Brown <.> wrote in news:0cet23le52mpeeidioojinbrffmbrtkr91 (AT) bbb (DOT) org:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?

You'll never keep a Prius (or any hybrid) long enough, or drive it enough,
to recoup the extra cost of the purchase.

Any "savings" come only if you disregard the premium you paid to be
"green".


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Tegger

"Tegger" ...

Bob Brown :
"Jeff" :

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than
similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?

You'll never keep a Prius (or any hybrid) long enough, or drive it
enough,
to recoup the extra cost of the purchase.

Any "savings" come only if you disregard the premium you paid to be
"green".

I, for one, fully intend to get a couple of hundred thousand miles at
least out of the Prius.
Tomes
(189K on the Sienna so far)

"Tegger" <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m> wrote

Bob Brown <.> wrote in news:0cet23le52mpeeidioojinbrffmbrtkr91 (AT) bbb (DOT) org:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?





You'll never keep a Prius (or any hybrid) long enough, or drive it enough,
to recoup the extra cost of the purchase.

Actually, I think you can recoup the cost after "x" years. Of course, the
length of time it'd take would be rather largely influenced by the price of
gas & if tax breaks are re-introduced. It would also have to do with how
much you would ordinarily spend on a new car, and how long you tend to keep
them. If you normally spend over $20K anyway, and keep it for severla
years, then I don't see why you couldn't expect to make out on the purchase,
$-wise. OTOH, if you normally spend $14-15K &/or change cars every few
years, well then...

Cathy

Any "savings" come only if you disregard the premium you paid to be
"green".


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Tegger

"Bob Brown" <.> wrote

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?

The point of a hybrid drivetrain is to *reduce* fuel consumption while at
the same time allowing the consumer to have a comfortable ride in a car that
will last at least 7 to 12 years. Because of the higher cost of the hybrid
drivetrain, the consumer doesn't really save money until the reduced fuel
consumption has covered the premium paid for the hybrid drivetrain.
--

Ray O
(correct punctuation to reply)

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:50:31 -0500, "Ray O"
<rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:

"Bob Brown" <.> wrote in message
news:0cet23le52mpeeidioojinbrffmbrtkr91 (AT) bbb (DOT) org...
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?


The point of a hybrid drivetrain is to *reduce* fuel consumption while at
the same time allowing the consumer to have a comfortable ride in a car that
will last at least 7 to 12 years. Because of the higher cost of the hybrid
drivetrain, the consumer doesn't really save money until the reduced fuel
consumption has covered the premium paid for the hybrid drivetrain.

I would have NO interest in a car that only lasted 12 years.

.....says the happy driver of a '92 Corolla Wagon......




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Scott in Florida

"Tegger" <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m> wrote

Bob Brown <.> wrote in news:0cet23le52mpeeidioojinbrffmbrtkr91 (AT) bbb (DOT) org:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?





You'll never keep a Prius (or any hybrid) long enough, or drive it enough,
to recoup the extra cost of the purchase.

Any "savings" come only if you disregard the premium you paid to be
"green".

This depends on the particular car or truck and the difference in the fuel
used as well as the price of fuel. For most hybrids, it seems like it takes
about 300,000 km or 200,000 mi to pay back the cost, without tax breaks, in
the US.

Jeff

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Tegger

"Scott in Florida" <askifyouwant (AT) mindspring (DOT) net> wrote

On Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:50:31 -0500, "Ray O"
rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote:


"Bob Brown" <.> wrote in message
news:0cet23le52mpeeidioojinbrffmbrtkr91 (AT) bbb (DOT) org...
On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?


The point of a hybrid drivetrain is to *reduce* fuel consumption while at
the same time allowing the consumer to have a comfortable ride in a car
that
will last at least 7 to 12 years. Because of the higher cost of the
hybrid
drivetrain, the consumer doesn't really save money until the reduced fuel
consumption has covered the premium paid for the hybrid drivetrain.

I would have NO interest in a car that only lasted 12 years.

....says the happy driver of a '92 Corolla Wagon......

You don't have to contend with salt on the roads & the rust factor. In the
north, if you want to keep a car as long as its engine will last, body work
needs to be done on an ongoing basis.

Cathy

--

Scott in Florida

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:26:00 +0000 (UTC), Tegger <tegger (AT) tegger (DOT) c0m>
wrote:

Bob Brown <.> wrote in news:0cet23le52mpeeidioojinbrffmbrtkr91 (AT) bbb (DOT) org:

On Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:10:05 GMT, "Jeff" <news (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?





You'll never keep a Prius (or any hybrid) long enough, or drive it enough,
to recoup the extra cost of the purchase.

Any "savings" come only if you disregard the premium you paid to be
"green".

Not trying to be mean but I aint going to pay a penny more for
anything just because it's 'green'. Other people can do that, those
people with extra money I guess.

NOT YOU!

I'm speaking in general.

On Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:44:37 GMT, "Tomes" <askme (AT) here (DOT) net> wrote:

"Tegger" ...
Bob Brown :
"Jeff" :

My point was that hybrids get better mileage on the highway than
similar
cars without a hybrid system.

Isn't the point of all this to save the consumer money on gasoline
while at the same time allowing them to have a comfortable ride in a
car that will last some 7-12 years ?

If so, how does a Prius do?

You'll never keep a Prius (or any hybrid) long enough, or drive it
enough,
to recoup the extra cost of the purchase.

Any "savings" come only if you disregard the premium you paid to be
"green".

I, for one, fully intend to get a couple of hundred thousand miles at
least out of the Prius.
Tomes
(189K on the Sienna so far)

200K miles on the Prius. What will your gasoline versus cost of
vehicle be?

I'm asking if it makes any sense? People ONLY talk about MPG never
discussing the premium for a Prius, or for that matter any 'new' car.

With interest, most people have no clue what the final price was on
their new , now 5 years old, car.

0% interest or $1000 cash back: Most young, see:dumb, people see that
$1,000 and grab it. Low interest would save you more than $1,000.
AND if you need $1,000 that bad what in the hell are you doing buying
a 'new' car?

Do you want an ounce of gold or a pound of aluminum?
Gee, wonder which one the 20s crowd would pick...