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Re: Vin plate info and TBDs -
04-16-2007
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The VIN plate on my old celica has a few numbers on it, including the transmission code (E150F IIRC). My car also came with the option (i believe, or it may have been standard on UK cars, not sure) of a Torsen TBD - on the rear. It has been noted that these cars either have 767 or 737 next to the transmission code on the VIN plate, and it is suspected that this signifies the car does or doesnt have the torsen diff. Can anyone confirm or deny this? |
differential is open or limited slip, and IIRC, the Celica All-Trac Turbos
sold in the U.S. had a viscous coupling center differential and a Torsen
type LSD in the rear. Toyota LSD's of that vintage had cooling fins on the
back of the differential cover, and there is an "LSD fluid only" sticker on
the differential housing.
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And on a second question: We have a UK landcruiser colorado ('96). It specifies LSD diff oil though we are struggling to get hold of it. My specified oil for my torsen doesnt seem to be LSD oil, but normal GL-5 - does the colorado use a plate style diff and therefore require different oil, or should normal GL-5 cover it? |
in the U.S., and I would suspect that the same is true where you are.
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> proclaimed to alt.autos.toyota ... I do not think that the transmission code indicates whether the rear differential is open or limited slip, The landcruiser definitely has specifications as to whether it has a torsen diff or not - its fairly well documented- will try to find links. The plate reads as C\X\A\T where the numbers are colour, something else, axle and transmission. The axle is what denotes it. On the cruiser the LSDs are ending in "b" and the opens end in "a". Most UK GT4's apparently came with LSD but im fairly sure i read in the original press release that it was an option and depended on whether it was the limited edition version or not. Both the open and LSD are proven to exist in exactly the same diff carriers/covers so it is impossible to tell from the outside - I dont think anyone has ever found a sticker anywhere denoting the oil required either. Its a source of great controversy in the owners clubs, and no-one as yet has proven anything! |
The plate that you are describing that is usually on the firewall has all
sorts of information, including engine, transmission, differential, body,
trim, etc. Toyota parts departments should have a decoder for the
information on the plate.
By "transmission code," I was thinking of the transmission model, like
A140L, etc.
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and IIRC, the Celica All-Trac Turbos sold in the U.S. had a viscous coupling center differential Yup. and a Torsen type LSD in the rear. Nope, not according to a lot of findings in the owners clubs  |
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Toyota LSD's of that vintage had cooling fins on the back of the differential cover, and there is an "LSD fluid only" sticker on the differential housing. I'll check on the landcruiser to see if it specs the LSD oil on the diff itself. |
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I do not think that the transmission code indicates whether the rear differential is open or limited slip, and IIRC, the Celica All-Trac Turbos sold in the U.S. had a viscous coupling center differential and a Torsen type LSD in the rear. Toyota LSD's of that vintage had cooling fins on the back of the differential cover, and there is an "LSD fluid only" sticker on the differential housing. Well, my '85 Celica GTS and the '88 Supra both appeared to have had the same diff (the Celica is gone, so I can't compare), both with IRS. They had finned housings. The Corolla GTS has a Live axle, and the only way to tell is (was? I haven't been under there for awhile!)the LSD sticker on the diff. Also, one of the letters in the VIN denotes LSD, 'F' IIRC. But, no fins... I forgot that the Corolla GTS had an LSD in a live axle.. The VIN |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:MVOUh.5037$Qa.351 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. snipped I do not think that the transmission code indicates whether the rear differential is open or limited slip, and IIRC, the Celica All-Trac Turbos sold in the U.S. had a viscous coupling center differential and a Torsen type LSD in the rear. Toyota LSD's of that vintage had cooling fins on the back of the differential cover, and there is an "LSD fluid only" sticker on the differential housing. Well, my '85 Celica GTS and the '88 Supra both appeared to have had the same diff (the Celica is gone, so I can't compare), both with IRS. They had finned housings. The Corolla GTS has a Live axle, and the only way to tell is (was? I haven't been under there for awhile!)the LSD sticker on the diff. Also, one of the letters in the VIN denotes LSD, 'F' IIRC. But, no fins... I forgot that the Corolla GTS had an LSD in a live axle.. The VIN definitely does not have info regarding differential type. |
Oh, now you've done it! I'll be back!
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:MVOUh.5037$Qa.351 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. snipped I do not think that the transmission code indicates whether the rear differential is open or limited slip, and IIRC, the Celica All-Trac Turbos sold in the U.S. had a viscous coupling center differential and a Torsen type LSD in the rear. Toyota LSD's of that vintage had cooling fins on the back of the differential cover, and there is an "LSD fluid only" sticker on the differential housing. Well, my '85 Celica GTS and the '88 Supra both appeared to have had the same diff (the Celica is gone, so I can't compare), both with IRS. They had finned housings. The Corolla GTS has a Live axle, and the only way to tell is (was? I haven't been under there for awhile!)the LSD sticker on the diff. Also, one of the letters in the VIN denotes LSD, 'F' IIRC. But, no fins... I forgot that the Corolla GTS had an LSD in a live axle.. The VIN definitely does not have info regarding differential type. |
tells me my '85 Corolla GTS is a Japan Toyota Passenger Car 2 DR 2 WD
Sedan with a 2AZ-FE series #8, 2 air bags FJ Model line year UNK
manufactured at TMC Japan.
At least they almost got 1/4 of it right.
http://fleet.toyota.com/html/vin_decoder.asp
Now, I remember when I bought the car having a question about the LSD, and
being told the second "F" in the VIN indicated an LSD. I remember that
because I needed to know something about the Diff.
I can't find the 'old' VIN decoder I used to use...
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On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 13:48:05 -0500, Ray O wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:MVOUh.5037$Qa.351 (AT) trndny08 (DOT) .. snipped I do not think that the transmission code indicates whether the rear differential is open or limited slip, and IIRC, the Celica All-Trac Turbos sold in the U.S. had a viscous coupling center differential and a Torsen type LSD in the rear. Toyota LSD's of that vintage had cooling fins on the back of the differential cover, and there is an "LSD fluid only" sticker on the differential housing. Well, my '85 Celica GTS and the '88 Supra both appeared to have had the same diff (the Celica is gone, so I can't compare), both with IRS. They had finned housings. The Corolla GTS has a Live axle, and the only way to tell is (was? I haven't been under there for awhile!)the LSD sticker on the diff. Also, one of the letters in the VIN denotes LSD, 'F' IIRC. But, no fins... I forgot that the Corolla GTS had an LSD in a live axle.. The VIN definitely does not have info regarding differential type. Here's an interesting page. It seems after 1990 the VIN codes changed. It tells me my '85 Corolla GTS is a Japan Toyota Passenger Car 2 DR 2 WD Sedan with a 2AZ-FE series #8, 2 air bags FJ Model line year UNK manufactured at TMC Japan. At least they almost got 1/4 of it right. http://fleet.toyota.com/html/vin_decoder.asp Now, I remember when I bought the car having a question about the LSD, and being told the second "F" in the VIN indicated an LSD. I remember that because I needed to know something about the Diff. I can't find the 'old' VIN decoder I used to use... |
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:24:50 -0700, glenior wrote: You can also try decode VIN at: http://www.autobaza.pl/ab/en/web/productaa0100 There is an automatic VIN decoder for any manufacturer. Amazing is that You enter only VIN and nothing more - this application recognize automatically all other information! Best Regards g Wow. It correctly identified the make, model and engine. But not the Diff. There must be SOMETHING in the VIN they use to determine at the dealer whether the car has Limited Slip or not, 'cause they keep asking me for it. |
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 15:10:41 -0500, Ray O wrote: But not the Diff. There must be SOMETHING in the VIN they use to determine at the dealer whether the car has Limited Slip or not, 'cause they keep asking me for it. No, LSD was on the list of options and not part of the model. Yeah. You had to 'order' it special. But I was SURE one of the letters indicated LSD. I remember seeing it a LONG time ago, that if one of the characters was "F" or "L" (can't remember) that it meant the car had LSD. I neede to know that for some reason back in the late 80's or early 90's, and that's what either a Toyota rep (by phone) or Svc Mgr told me, I can't recall now. Believe me, Ray, this has a LOT more to do with my 'fleeting' memory than it would ever have with trying to prove you wrong!!!  |
(Toyota's in-house database) or in the Toyota Dealer Network (TDN) system,
you can get the date of first use, wholesale dealer code, retail dealer
code, retail date, production date, a list of warranty claims and SSC's
performed on the vehicle, factory accessories, PIO's, color and trim codes,
model number, invoice and MSRP, etc. I think the dealer people were asking
you for the VIN so they could look it up on the TDN.
The list of accessories would have included the LSD. For example, a Corolla
GTS liftback might have AC, PS, LD, SR, CF, MG, and an audio upgrade like a
cassette player (TC).
IIRC, the VIN system that Toyota used at that time was:
JT2AE86C9G1234567 for a Corolla GTS Coupe or JT2AW86L9G1234567 if it was a
liftback.
J: The first letter is country of origin (Japan)
T: Manufacturer - Toyota
2: Passenger car (at the time, 3 was a special purpose vehicle (SUV), 4
was a truck, 5 was an incomplete vehicle
A: Engine family, such as 4AG
E: Chassis family, such as Corolla
86 Model - an 86 was a GTS
C Body style- C was a coupe, L was aa liftback, E was a sedan, W was a
wagon
9 combination calculation check digit - the answer to a math formula
derived from the VIN as a way to tell if the VIN is valid.
G Model Year all 1986 MY Toyotas had a G in this position
next 7 characters - assembly plant and sequential serial number.
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On Wed, 18 Apr 2007 10:24:50 -0700, glenior wrote: You can also try decode VIN at: http://www.autobaza.pl/ab/en/web/productaa0100 There is an automatic VIN decoder for any manufacturer. Amazing is that You enter only VIN and nothing more - this application recognize automatically all other information! Best Regards g Wow. It correctly identified the make, model and engine. But not the Diff. There must be SOMETHING in the VIN they use to determine at the dealer whether the car has Limited Slip or not, 'cause they keep asking me for it. |
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