I recently took Toyota to arbitration and won. They bought back my
Toyota Echo.

I have made a webpage about my experience at CAMVAP for others to read.

'' (http://www.camvap.blogspot.com)


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CAMVAP Joe

Scott in Florida <JustAsk (AT) Florida (DOT) com> wrote in
news:0sdrj1po919di6po85361mh6vh2fq7srgg (AT) 4ax (DOT) com:



I have to admit to being HIGHLY suspicious of this...rather trolly...post.

I live in Canada and have some knowledge of CAMVAP. CAMVAP ONLY kicks in
once the manufacturer has given up fixing the car. It does not appear from
the OP's Web site that the dealer actually gave up on this issue.


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TeGGeR®

Try a Kia or Hyundai next, they need some complainers, I meant customers.
Scott

TeGGeR® Wrote:
You suggest you have some knowledge of CAMVAP, yet your knowledge is
obviously flawed. In point of fact, CAMVAP *only* kicks in when the
purchaser initiates it, independant of what the manufacturer thinks.

You could actually initiate the CAMVAP process after the first repair
attempt (although you would probably not do well, since you didn't
allow the manufacturer adequate time).


I assure you my post and my blog are sincere.


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CAMVAP Joe

CAMVAP Joe <CAMVAP.Joe.1wa2ug (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.yourdomain.com.au> wrote in
news:CAMVAP.Joe.1wa2ug (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.yourdomain.com.au:


Yes, but as long as the manufacturer is still making a good-faith effort to
fix the problem, the arbitrator will not hear the case.





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TeGGeR®

The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ
www.tegger.com/hondafaq/

You're a worm to make a company buy back a car b/c of a "noise". Get
used to it. What a waste of resources.

st-bum, 10/2/2005,10:15:24 PM, wrote:

I disagree. There is no reason you should put up with an unusual noise
from a brand new car. At the least, the selling dealership should make
all efforts to make it right. Anything else reflects badly on them and
any future sales. We have two Toyota dealerships in my area. One's
philosophy is sell all the cars they can to as many people as they can.
The other one sells to repeat customers over and over again. Even
their service department is used by everyone around here.

The man's main complaint was with the dealership for not fixing the
problem. The dealership was his first recourse and yet they gave him
the runaround or were completely inept. His next choice was to contact
the manufacturer and they continued the runaround hoping he would go
away. An arbitrator was his final choice and he made a strong enough
case to beat the lawyers and suits of a major corporation.

I applaud him for having the gumption to stick to the process and not
just give up like so many others would.

--
"Golf balls are attracted to water as unerringly as the eye of a
middle-aged man to a female bosom." -- Michael Green

Here in the states we have different 'lemon' laws for almost every
state. Buy a new car in Pa and you have 12 months to figure out you got
a lemon and good luck enforcing it . In Fla we have a law similar to
Canada's (time and mileage wise).

But in either state , I doubt you would get any help for a 'road noise'
issue. The issue would probably have to effect the safety, economy or
reliability of a vehicle.

CP

st-bum Wrote:
a creaking noise in the rear. The vehicle in question was found to have
several missed spot welds from the manufacturing process. The noise was
a structural defect.

The resource (CAMVAP) you refer to is a free program available to the
consumer to resolve disputes of this nature. It was a fair and
efficient use of resources that had a positive outcome.


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CAMVAP Joe

TeGGeR® Wrote:
arbitration. Get your facts straight.

When the consumer feels THEY have given the dealership and manufacturer
sufficient time (1 day or 6 months, it does not matter) they can apply
for CAMVAP. As long as they meet the programs requirements they will be
approved.

The manufacturer will have the opportunity to make an arguement (which
they will because they would rather not go to arbitration and lose) and
respond to the consumers application.


If you apply to CAMVAP and meet the requirements the arbitrator WILL
HEAR YOUR CASE.


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CAMVAP Joe