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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-20-2007
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"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message You are a complete moron. I live in Ontario, where we get damned cold winters, and more salt poured on the roads then you could imagine. I have owned 9 GM cars. My last Grand Prix (1991) went to the junk yard in 2003 with close to 350,000 on it, with *very* little rust, the last Bonnie I had was almost at 300,000, and had *no* rust what-so-ever, and my current Bonnie has around 179,000, also with no rust to speak of. You are the one living in a fantasy world if you think all GM's rust and Toyota's are gift's from God. Get a grip. Id have to agree. But I havent owned a rustbucket of any brand in years. Last one was a Fiat, and they used to come from the factory pre-rusted. |
leased her last Grand Am, before she bought the one she has now. They
offered us an electronic rust protection module, for around $300 (if memory
serves), which we declined at the time, thinking it was brand new
technology, which was unproven, and made no sense (at least, according to
the not-so-informed salesperson). Then, last year, our Canadian Tire
(equivalent to USA's AutoZone, from what I hear) starts selling them at $199
like hot-cakes. Had any experience with these?
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post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? |
Toyota investigates what customers do want and need.
Toyota then make cars to fulfill those wants and needs.
Toyota makes sure the whole chain is reasonably happy.
Toyota keeps in touch with the customers afterwards through the
service and makes sure everything done with or to the car is
registered throughout the life of the car.
Toyota organizes occasional events for their customers like washing
all toyotas for free, going on trips together.
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Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. The entry level and middle level market segments are very sensitive to price and vehicle durability. Toyota has been able to translate its cost advantage into vehicles with higher, more attractive content and longer life than General Motors. Toyota's Camry and Corolla, and derivatives of those cars, have been able to dominate their market spaces -- they set the standard others must follow and they establish the price thresholds. ========== What strategies does Toyota follow to retain its No.1 position in the global market? |
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Toyota is constantly looking for ways to lower costs and improve products. It translates most of the additional profits it earns, over GM, into better product design and additional capacity. At GM, the executives vote themselves bonuses and the union demands more benefits and featherbedding at the first sign of profits. ========== While GM is closing its factories in its native country, how can Toyota open its new plants in North America? |
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It offers customers cars that are less expensive and less trouble to own over the life of the cars. Toyotas don't break as much and perform well. GM vehicles require more repairs and don't age well. ========== How will the native slogan "Wake up America and Buy American" affect the future of Toyota in the U.S. market? |
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Not much. Thanks to big bonuses to executives, outsized fringe benefits for the United Auto Workers union, poor product quality and just plain arrogance, GM and the UAW have lost the loyalty of American car buyers. Americans are not protectionist in their buying habits, and GM executives and the UAW have lost the trust and loyalty of many younger car buyers. |
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Now, the '88 'Monza' a friend had, with a V8...! Who the hell ever put an 85 MPH Speedo in THAT?!?!?! |
GM was getting into IMSA.
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And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. This is Toyota country. On a quiet night you can hear a GM rust. |
than yours and the use of road salt is far more than what you experience in
the mid-states. Rust in GM's was an issue back in the late 70's and early
80's, but that was an issue for everyone. Honda had notorious rust
problems. Toyota certainly had very severe rust problems. GM was one of
the first to come up with galvanized bodies and cars that held together in
good shape for the kind of mileage we're talking about. The block you live
on may well be Toyota country, but at least have the intellectual honesty to
argue facts, and not cliché's. Though... clichés do make a point better
when it comes to personal preferences, don't they.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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| There was one in NH, I think it was. When you were on the correct path it read: ITAWT--ITAWA--PUDDY--TAT---IDEED |
doesn't have a sense of humor? <G> The FAA assigns locally made up
five letter identifiers to these points in space in between actual
radio NAVAIDs.
For instance, there's no actual Woonsocket NAVAID, but there's the
WOONS intersection formed by signals from a few other NAVAIDS..
Put on your best Cliff Claven accent and think of these significant
points on the GPS approach to Rwy 32 @ Boston/Logan:
DRUNK -> HAVRD -> YAARD -> BGDIG -> PAARK
Other NE notables:
BOSOX
THUMB
SALTT
PEPAR
GROGG
HOPTU
DEEPO (Offshore, past Nantucket)
CLAMY (near the RI / MA shore)
LOBBY (which also has a published hold, so you wait in the lobby)
WACKY
SNIVL
LURCH
BRISS
WITCH & WAXEN (near Salem)
DARTH
VADER
The first intersection west of the Kennebunk ME VOR is SATAN. <G>
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Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000 miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. I had signs of rust starting on my 95 S-10 at 50,000 miles. Now if I had a normal family and we had a normal life, maybe we could wash it every Saturday morning like you do. Unfortunately: 1. I'm single and have been for nearly 50 years. 2. I'm on call 24/7. I can't own a GM 'Service Queen' like you do. When I hit the key, my vehicle has to go. 100 above, 20 below, rain, wind, snow, ice, whatever. About all I do is change the oil regularly and keep up with the bigger items like flushing the tranny and radiator when it needs it. |
as experience, you simply want to run on with your diareaha. Not a single
thing you state above has any meaning or relevance to this discussion.
Maybe you should just go fondle your Corolla for the night, since you
clearly have no interest in any honest discourse.
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I'd really like to know what sort of alterned state you live in where Toyotas fall apart and GM's don't rust. Do they use special salt? The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. |
fool.
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Twice.. And our turn signal quit working because unlike Toyotas, most GM products in those days used body ground return, so if the body rotted, the turn signals grounded through it malfunctioned. I remember having to roll down the window and stick my arm out in the dead of winter since we hadn't had a chance to repair the turn signal that winter yet. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. |
blindly talking out of your ass. You'll see GM's of all sorts from the
90's, in every bit the same shape as your beloved Toyotas.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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Now just stop your continous lying, there was no such thing as a 396 SS Chevelle 4 door. The 396 Chevelle SS came only as a 2 door coupe. Your lies and comments leave you know credibility at all. |
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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| Nope - I'd love to drive an American car again. I really would like to see them rebound. |
I would have loved to save money and purchased a Ranger, S-10, or
Colorado over my current and previous Tacomas and "Pickups".
Unfortunately, there's a satisfaction and quality gap much wider than
the price difference. My current '05 Tacoma is as close to a perfect
vehicle as I've ever had. The sad part is that I never even
considered a Dakota 'till after the fact, because I forgot they even
existed! I checked one out, and I didn't miss anything.
I still own a Wrangler Sport (which is actually total crap,
quality-wise), because there is nothing else like the only "real"
Jeep. One of the most important saving graces for the Wrangler is the
huge aftermarket. As parts fall off, you can get much better, cheaper
aftermarket replacements. Don't get me going on the 4 door new
version... Power locks and windows, on a JEEP? = 8^(
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OTOH, my run with Toyota has been: 1972 Carina 154,037 miles (sold) 1977 Corolla 207,000 miles (scrapped) 1979 KE30 (1501) Corolla 106,000 miles (sold) 1980 Corolla liftback (green) 75,000 miles (accident) 1980 Corolla liftback (red) 202,000 miles (sold) 1981 Corolla liftback 105,000 miles (sold) 1982 Corolla coupe 213,000 miles (sold) 1993 Corolla DX 238,000 miles (sold) 1994 Corolla LX 150,000 (Still running) 1995 Corolla LX 140,000 (Still running) 1995 Coroall plain 104,000 (just bought) 1995 Previa 156,000 miles (still running) |
those cars since you show too much mileage in any one year for you to
amassed it. So - you've been replacing those Toyotas every year or two, and
they've been "great cars"? You should switch to GM and discover what it's
like to own a vehicle for 10 years of faithful service.
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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net
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leased her last Grand Am, before she bought the one she has now. They offered us an electronic rust protection module, for around $300 (if memory serves), which we declined at the time, thinking it was brand new technology, which was unproven, and made no sense (at least, according to the not-so-informed salesperson). Then, last year, our Canadian Tire (equivalent to USA's AutoZone, from what I hear) starts selling them at $199 like hot-cakes. Had any experience with these? |
protection'
which is the same principle applied to industrial structures, tanks, etc.
The technology
works only where there is uniform contact with the electrolyte involved...
Just being
wet doesnt mean the surface will be exposed to the protective current.
IMO, they have a basis in truth, but I dont believe they would be effective
in many
places that are susceptible to corrosion.
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