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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:15:26 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: Compare that to the descendant of the Nova; the Cobalt. A buzzy little shitteboxe that isn't that economical by comparison, isn't well made, but probably is fun to drive. Before that was the Cavalier, that was hit or miss depending on who was in charge of the particular model year's production. And before that...er, it was a Toyota Corolla Sprinter. Even then they STILL couldn't sell the damn things!!! I think most of it comes from brainwashing. People were pissed at American cars because of bad gas mileage so foreign cars came to the rescue at just the right time. The cars were cheap and cheaply made but they got great gas mileage. Nothing fancy about them just 4 wheels a little and a box, not much to break, most didnt even have any power accessories such as power windows. So Americans lapped it up with the "Their ice is colder" mentality. So the Japanese established a foot hole developed a following and also took advantage of union free labor and trade policies which allowed larger profits from each sale to build newer modern factories. Detroit was tied up with Union wages and high pensions etc, japanese tariffs would not allow American cars to be shipped to Japan which also added to the one sidedness politics. It matter to me not one whit what Detroit has to go through to biuld cars. A lot of the cars coming out of Detroit when I was coming up were just plain old CRAP, period. After living two years with a Corona when it came time for me to buy a car there were two choices: a used Celica or a new Corolla. The Celica had frame damage from an accident. And over the years, as my income increased, my Toyotas got better and more amenities. And not a single one has proven to be a bad car. There are Chevy guys, there are Ford guys, and there are Toyota guys. It's going to take Detroit thinking more about their *CUSTOMERS* than their Shareholders to get me to buy another US made car. The only one I would consider now is a Chrysler, but they're even uglier than Nissans. You win some and you lose some, my mother had an 82 Toyota Camary that was |
with less than 80k miles on it. God knows I am not a marketer for GM or
other US autos, but my experiences as well as other family members have had
no problems with the products. I have owned several chrysler, 1 ford and 1
GM.
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"BoobooBear" <Boo (AT) yahaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:464f4d2b$0$1250$822641b3 (AT) news (DOT) adtechcomputers.com... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:rc6dnXNQlYJoFNPbnZ2dnUVZ_hynnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "BoobooBear" <Boo (AT) yahaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:464e4b4a$0$1266$822641b3 (AT) news (DOT) adtechcomputers.com... "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:UF43i.21180$5Z6.10947 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. Could be because the Vintage Novas are now worth $20,000- up. Especially the SS models. They are investments now to be driven on sunny days. Lets face it these cars were popular as hell when gas was cheap. When gas went up people sacrificed and convinced themselves that it was OK to drive boring ugly little cars with a blue map light. Now if gas were dirt cheap again everyone who was not brainwashed would demanding a big v-8 or a 30 foot long car that floated down the road in luxury. You saying I'm brainwashed, boy? I may demand satisfaction for an insult like that. Moreover you have insulted my Dad, who is no longer here to defend himself. I cannot let you insult my father. "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." Charles of Schaumburg Thats exactly what I am saying Boy, you are brainwashed. You and your dad. Then F*ck you and onto the blocked list you go. My dad was always an independent thinker. You're the brainwashed one. You believe GM's marketing strategy. Only the poor people buy the little Chevys. As they move up they're supposed to move up to Panty-rack, Oldsmobauble and Phew-ick. People think since I drive Toyotas, I'm not making enough to afford better, but that's the WRONG answer. See You Next Tuesday! Charles of Schaumburg You mispelled...you mean Charles of Scumbag don't you? |
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Dear ASSHOLE: I'm top-posting this so you will see this. In 1966 Chevelle made a 4-door vehicle. The one we had a 396 engine in it and had the badge on the side. By the time we were using it, it was nearly 10 years old. I had the damn thing up to 80 miles an hour in the hills south and southwest of St. Louis in 1976, and that ain't easy. Now don't tell me I have no credibity, GM Tuckus Leker. Just because I tell you you're all brainwashed in American advertising bullshit, which you so obviously are. Charles of Schaumburg. Again...there was no 4 door Chevelle SS in any year. The resources are right |
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"Dave" <daves1955 (AT) verizon (DOT) net> wrote in message news  gH3i.4726$qp5.3753 (AT) trnddc03 (DOT) ..n5hsr wrote: I'd really like to know what sort of alterned state you live in where Toyotas fall apart and GM's don't rust. Do they use special salt? The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. Twice.. And our turn signal quit working because unlike Toyotas, most GM products in those days used body ground return, so if the body rotted, the turn signals grounded through it malfunctioned. I remember having to roll down the window and stick my arm out in the dead of winter since we hadn't had a chance to repair the turn signal that winter yet. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. Charles of Schaumburg Why do you keep bring up the Corvair, A car out of production almost 40 YEARS!!! I have a friend whose Toyota (Tercel) rusted so badly it didn't last 7 years. Of course it was a 1983 model and the newer models are much better. In defense of Detroit my mom's 1987 Chrysler 5th Avenue, 20 years old with 135,000 miles still has the original exhaust. So based the my observations just listed Japanese is bad and Detroit is good. Your mileage may vary!!!!!! Don't take this all too seriously folks. Truth is it is hard to find a truly bad car of any make. The last GM I bought was a 1995 S-10 By 50,000 miles, I was tired of driving it to the shop once a month trying to get stuff fixed. Brakes that wore out at 30,000 miles. Rust on, of all things, door hinges and gas tanks. By 50,000 miles I was quite tired of it. A selection of engines that quite frankly stunk. Hoses that kept falling off. Bumping the back of my head into the rear window every time I hit a good bump. I would just as soon shave my legs with a dull razor blade and get my ears pierced as buy another GM product. My run with them has been all bad. OTOH, my run with Toyota has been: 1972 Carina 154,037 miles (sold) 1977 Corolla 207,000 miles (scrapped) 1979 KE30 (1501) Corolla 106,000 miles (sold) 1980 Corolla liftback (green) 75,000 miles (accident) 1980 Corolla liftback (red) 202,000 miles (sold) 1981 Corolla liftback 105,000 miles (sold) 1982 Corolla coupe 213,000 miles (sold) 1993 Corolla DX 238,000 miles (sold) 1994 Corolla LX 150,000 (Still running) 1995 Corolla LX 140,000 (Still running) 1995 Coroall plain 104,000 (just bought) 1995 Previa 156,000 miles (still running) Charles of Schaumburg Wow you must be pushing 100 years old to rack up all those miles. Must be |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:33:08 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message news:8pWdnQh5yZIvgdLbnZ2dnUVZ_vWtnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:GOE3i.8870$xu.3543 (AT) trndny07 (DOT) .. On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:53:52 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years. I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders. Where are you at? I'm in Western Mass. Of course, you can stave off rust with ANY car if you take care of it! Then why did the 60's era GM's show up with fender rust so often? We were starting to get it on the Corvair, and had problems with the tail lights because the ground rusted out. We had to use bigger screws. Twice. Charles of Schaumburg There you go again going back 40 something years. Yeah...and that's when they were WELL made! Wasn't it you going back to 35 YO Novas? No it wasn't, it was N5SR. I just responded to his 35 year old Nova. Go back |
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:44:00 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message news:quC3i.21236$YL5.7526 (AT) newssvr29 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either. Are you talking about the successful economics of modern day Japan, or their day of infamy in 1941? We gave them a heck of a defeat back then. It wasnt brag, just fact. If we want to win economically, it will again have to be no brag, just fact. Well it looks like another war is on, all traitors will be rewarded with a brand new Toyota. Where do I sign up? You already did. |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:bkO3i.10946$Qz.10419 (AT) trndny09 (DOT) .. On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:15:26 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: Compare that to the descendant of the Nova; the Cobalt. A buzzy little shitteboxe that isn't that economical by comparison, isn't well made, but probably is fun to drive. Before that was the Cavalier, that was hit or miss depending on who was in charge of the particular model year's production. And before that...er, it was a Toyota Corolla Sprinter. Even then they STILL couldn't sell the damn things!!! I think most of it comes from brainwashing. People were pissed at American cars because of bad gas mileage so foreign cars came to the rescue at just the right time. The cars were cheap and cheaply made but they got great gas mileage. Nothing fancy about them just 4 wheels a little and a box, not much to break, most didnt even have any power accessories such as power windows. So Americans lapped it up with the "Their ice is colder" mentality. So the Japanese established a foot hole developed a following and also took advantage of union free labor and trade policies which allowed larger profits from each sale to build newer modern factories. Detroit was tied up with Union wages and high pensions etc, japanese tariffs would not allow American cars to be shipped to Japan which also added to the one sidedness politics. It matter to me not one whit what Detroit has to go through to biuld cars. A lot of the cars coming out of Detroit when I was coming up were just plain old CRAP, period. After living two years with a Corona when it came time for me to buy a car there were two choices: a used Celica or a new Corolla. The Celica had frame damage from an accident. And over the years, as my income increased, my Toyotas got better and more amenities. And not a single one has proven to be a bad car. There are Chevy guys, there are Ford guys, and there are Toyota guys. It's going to take Detroit thinking more about their *CUSTOMERS* than their Shareholders to get me to buy another US made car. The only one I would consider now is a Chrysler, but they're even uglier than Nissans. You win some and you lose some, my mother had an 82 Toyota Camary that was nothing but problems. |
Cathy
She got fed up with it and sold it to her mechanic
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with less than 80k miles on it. God knows I am not a marketer for GM or other US autos, but my experiences as well as other family members have had no problems with the products. I have owned several chrysler, 1 ford and 1 GM. |
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:BRY3i.4454$ns.537 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:44:00 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message news:quC3i.21236$YL5.7526 (AT) newssvr29 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either. Are you talking about the successful economics of modern day Japan, or their day of infamy in 1941? We gave them a heck of a defeat back then. It wasnt brag, just fact. If we want to win economically, it will again have to be no brag, just fact. Well it looks like another war is on, all traitors will be rewarded with a brand new Toyota. Where do I sign up? You already did. |
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There is no question Toyota makes great cars, that will last a long time if given the proper preventive maintenance, but so does every other manufacturer today. Every survey of owners shows all manufacturer, foreign or domestic, has a defect rate that averages around 2%. The question one needs to ask is, do I want to spend 20% to 30% more, in the real world, to drive home a Toyota in the hope I will not get one of their 2% that will be problematic? |
the average car has 1.24 problems according to JD Power and Assoc., not
0.02 problems (0.02 problems is 2%).
http://www.jdpower.com/press-release...spx?id=2006082
Jeff
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Studebaker made better cars then Chevrolet, fat lot of good it did them... Jeff DeWitt |
Well, as of right now, Toyota/Lexus is kicking everyones ass and making
billions. People want cars that last now. They want a car they can hand down
to their son or daughter when they purchase a new one. They want something
stylish, classy, affordable. Something that gets decent gas mileage.
Something that, if it breaks, it is easier and cheaper to fix.
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