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Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass
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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-18-2007
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Sorry to shoot you down in flames...do some homework first next time. BTW, I broke the belt on my '85 Corolla GTS 3 times (just HAVE to squeeze that extra 1,000 miles out of the belt). Engine still runs like a champ. |
belts?
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"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. GM lost the war. |
else in life, this battleground will have continued ups and downs forever.
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my toyota echo, my corolla XRS and my Lotus elise have timing chains. tell me about your ford focus...... |
Ed
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:EE43i.21179$5Z6.11317 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. Sorry to shoot you down in flames...do some homework first next time. BTW, I broke the belt on my '85 Corolla GTS 3 times (just HAVE to squeeze that extra 1,000 miles out of the belt). Engine still runs like a champ. I'm curious... How many miles did that car have on it with 3 broken timing belts? |
I also have a 94 Dodge Caravan and the belt was just changed at 195,000km.
Only reason it was changed, is because I was doing the water pump and the
belt was easily accessible.
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According to Vash: Let's put it this way: I bought a 1974 Corolla 1200 for $2525, with an AM/FM radio and a rear window defroster. >more crap snipped I actually drove one of those cars, a model a few years earlier. All I remember was you red-lined the engine in first gear at about 15 mph! It was only marginally better than a kid's pedal car. While you are plugging Toyotas, why don't you tell the public they all have timing belts with non free-running engines (interference engines). That means, if and when the timing belt breaks or skips, your engine is ruined completely because the pistons will strike the opened valves. What you have are holed pistons and/or bent valves, meaning a complete teardown and overhaul. Figure on at least $4,000 when that $20 timing belt goes. Most American cars do not have that fine Toyota feature. |
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post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. The entry level and middle level market segments are very sensitive to price and vehicle durability. Toyota has been able to translate its cost advantage into vehicles with higher, more attractive content and longer life than General Motors. Toyota's Camry and Corolla, and derivatives of those cars, have been able to dominate their market spaces -- they set the standard others must follow and they establish the price thresholds. ========== What strategies does Toyota follow to retain its No.1 position in the global market? Toyota is constantly looking for ways to lower costs and improve products. It translates most of the additional profits it earns, over GM, into better product design and additional capacity. At GM, the executives vote themselves bonuses and the union demands more benefits and featherbedding at the first sign of profits. ========== While GM is closing its factories in its native country, how can Toyota open its new plants in North America? It offers customers cars that are less expensive and less trouble to own over the life of the cars. Toyotas don't break as much and perform well. GM vehicles require more repairs and don't age well. ========== How will the native slogan "Wake up America and Buy American" affect the future of Toyota in the U.S. market? Not much. Thanks to big bonuses to executives, outsized fringe benefits for the United Auto Workers union, poor product quality and just plain arrogance, GM and the UAW have lost the loyalty of American car buyers. Americans are not protectionist in their buying habits, and GM executives and the UAW have lost the trust and loyalty of many younger car buyers. |
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"George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. GM lost the war. They may still persevere, but not if they continue the way they are going. |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:43:55 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: BS! Nobody will 'give you your car back' after you traded it. mike In 50 years, we bought over a dozen cars from them. Yeah, they gave me the car back. And then sold me, personally 4 more. "Vash The Stampede" <Trigun (AT) 2AM (DOT) cn> wrote in message news:Ey43i.6698$R97.4409 (AT) trndny03 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:21:33 +0000, 6forPizza wrote: I kept the Nova for 5 or six weeks, and when gas hit $0.75 a gallon, I traded it back! Luckily, they went for it and gave me my Corolla back! |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:46:03 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: If that's the case you must live close to a salvage yard LOL mike You mean, the one 2 miles away that the Toyotas are always driving by? Yeah. "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:UF43i.21180$5Z6.10947 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:30:01 +0000, Vash The Stampede rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled: On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:13:31 +0200, George Orwell wrote: post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? Cause they build good cars? Because they were ahead of the Economy cruve 30 years ago? Let's put it this way: I bought a 1974 Corolla 1200 for $2525, with an AM/FM radio and a rear window defroster. One neat little thin I liked was the heater and radio had no dash lights, there was a green piece of plastic with a dome light bulb behind it that lit up the dash, and a little tab on it. When you pulled the tab, it opened the green lens and you had a map light. It was built into the overhang of the dash so you could have the map light on and not upset your view of the road. Simple little thing, but obviously meant a lot since I still remember it after 33 years... It got 38 MPG on the highway, until I changed the tires from Bias-Ply to Michelin Radials. Then it got 38 MPG IN TOWN. The Nova I looked at was $3595, a V8 that got 18 MPG overall. And didn't have a little green maplight. Okay, let's compare here. For roughly $1000 less - in 1975 dollars - you got a car with a green map light. You also got a 1200cc four-banger and not a (presumably) 350 V8. If that's what you wanted, then fine. The Corolla was designed for a person looking to move around town. The malibu was designed for people like my dad who wanted to go fast. (We had a '73 Nova at the time.) I don't think "kicking GM's ass" is the correct term these days. Back in '75 - when I was in first grade - GM have strong competition from Hyundai, Kia, Mitsubishi, Honda, Saab, Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar. Heck, everytime I turn around I see someone driving a BMW 500-series or a |
The Mitsubishi may have just began to start to show up but they were not any
real competition. The only japanese cars beginning to hit our shores back
then was Toyota, Honda and Datsun/ Nissan. The only reason people began to
look at those cars was because of the gas crunch and no other reason.
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