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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
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Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike "Vash The Stampede" <Trigun (AT) 2AM (DOT) cn> wrote in message news:Ja13i.12051$CQ4.12007 (AT) trndny06 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:13:31 +0200, George Orwell wrote: post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? Cause they build good cars? Because they were ahead of the Economy cruve 30 years ago? Let's put it this way: I bought a 1974 Corolla 1200 for $2525, with an AM/FM radio and a rear window defroster. One neat little thin I liked was the heater and radio had no dash lights, there was a green piece of plastic with a dome light bulb behind it that lit up the dash, and a little tab on it. When you pulled the tab, it opened the green lens and you had a map light. It was built into the overhang of the dash so you could have the map light on and not upset your view of the road. Simple little thing, but obviously meant a lot since I still remember it after 33 years... It got 38 MPG on the highway, until I changed the tires from Bias-Ply to Michelin Radials. Then it got 38 MPG IN TOWN. The Nova I looked at was $3595, a V8 that got 18 MPG overall. And didn't have a little green maplight. Lets face it a 74-2007 corolla has never been nothing to look at. So you are |
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On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. |
SS models. They are investments now to be driven on sunny days. Lets face it
these cars were popular as hell when gas was cheap. When gas went up people
sacrificed and convinced themselves that it was OK to drive boring ugly
little cars with a blue map light. Now if gas were dirt cheap again everyone
who was not brainwashed would demanding a big v-8 or a 30 foot long car that
floated down the road in luxury.
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HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message news:gZ53i.21859$JZ3.12791 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. GM lost the war. GM is losing the battle, but the war will never be over. Like everything else in life, this battleground will have continued ups and downs forever. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net GM is currently planning some B-17 sorties to bomb the Toyota facturies in |
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"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote in message news:554b$464d9ac6$471fb881$26172 (AT) ALLTEL (DOT) NET... HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message news:gZ53i.21859$JZ3.12791 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. GM lost the war. GM is losing the battle, but the war will never be over. Like everything else in life, this battleground will have continued ups and downs forever. -- -Mike- mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net GM is currently planning some B-17 sorties to bomb the Toyota facturies in japan this summer. |
Natalie
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And you're mixing apples and oranges. The OP said Toyotas have belt an Interference engines. Most Toyotas don't. |
listed for newer than 2000. The Tundra and Sienna have them on some
engines. 90,000 mile change interval. They are noted as interference
engies. The Camry 3.3 is listed.
http://www.gates.com/downloads/downl...older=brochure
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"PerfectReign" <theperfectreign (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:5b3n3oF2q7b7lU3 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:30:01 +0000, Vash The Stampede rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled: On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:13:31 +0200, George Orwell wrote: post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? Cause they build good cars? Because they were ahead of the Economy cruve 30 years ago? Let's put it this way: I bought a 1974 Corolla 1200 for $2525, with an AM/FM radio and a rear window defroster. One neat little thin I liked was the heater and radio had no dash lights, there was a green piece of plastic with a dome light bulb behind it that lit up the dash, and a little tab on it. When you pulled the tab, it opened the green lens and you had a map light. It was built into the overhang of the dash so you could have the map light on and not upset your view of the road. Simple little thing, but obviously meant a lot since I still remember it after 33 years... It got 38 MPG on the highway, until I changed the tires from Bias-Ply to Michelin Radials. Then it got 38 MPG IN TOWN. The Nova I looked at was $3595, a V8 that got 18 MPG overall. And didn't have a little green maplight. Okay, let's compare here. For roughly $1000 less - in 1975 dollars - you got a car with a green map light. You also got a 1200cc four-banger and not a (presumably) 350 V8. |
In '76, when I was buying a new car (to replace my '72 Duster) & I was
vacillating between a Datsun & a Toyota, the only reason I finally decided
on the Datsun B-210, was that all else being apparently equal, the Datsun
was $300 less than the equivalent Toyota (was it a Corolla then? I don't
remember...). Even that $300 was plenty at that time - enough to be a
decision maker.
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If that's what you wanted, then fine. The Corolla was designed for a person looking to move around town. The malibu was designed for people like my dad who wanted to go fast. (We had a '73 Nova at the time.) I don't think "kicking GM's ass" is the correct term these days. Back in '75 - when I was in first grade - GM have strong competition from Hyundai, Kia, Mitsubishi, Honda, Saab, Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar. Heck, everytime I turn around I see someone driving a BMW 500-series or a Back in 1975 the Hyundai, Kia wasnt even around to be competitive in the US. The Mitsubishi may have just began to start to show up but they were not any real competition. The only japanese cars beginning to hit our shores back then was Toyota, Honda and Datsun/ Nissan. The only reason people began to look at those cars was because of the gas crunch and no other reason. |
parking, etc., nevermind the gas bit), & the quality was slipping.
Cathy
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HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message news:gZ53i.21859$JZ3.12791 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. The import word here is "perception." |
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They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. Then why do Toyota dealer get such poor opinion survey ratings? |
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GM lost the war. They may still persevere, but not if they continue the way they are going. It was my impression that GMs product line was improving. I wouldn't write GM off just yet. |
public began to respond. Now that they are building better cars, it is
going to take a while before people can trust them again..Assuming,
of course, that they can avoid bankrupcy.
Nothing would please me more than that they would reestablish themselves
as a company worthy of respect. Even the lowest of whores can regain
respect. I hope GM can attain virtue again...
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"C. E. White" <cewhite (AT) mindspring (DOT) com> wrote in message news:0Y83i.10927$Ut6.10871 (AT) newsread1 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... HLS (AT) nospam (DOT) nix> wrote in message news:gZ53i.21859$JZ3.12791 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "George Orwell" <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote in message Toyota enjoys much lower labor costs in the United States and benefits from an undervalued yen for cars made in Japan. In the United States, this comes to about $2,500 per vehicle. Blah, blah, blah... Toyota has the perception of being higher quality, and we pay higher prices for it. The import word here is "perception." Indeed. Perception is as good as truth, over the short haul. They service what they sell, build a hell of a good car,and stand behind it. Then why do Toyota dealer get such poor opinion survey ratings? They dont. Toyota dealers have a high satisfaction rating GM lost the war. They may still persevere, but not if they continue the way they are going. It was my impression that GMs product line was improving. I wouldn't write GM off just yet. Neither do I, Ed. They screwed the buying public for years before the public began to respond. Now that they are building better cars, it is going to take a while before people can trust them again..Assuming, of course, that they can avoid bankrupcy. Nothing would please me more than that they would reestablish themselves as a company worthy of respect. Even the lowest of whores can regain respect. I hope GM can attain virtue again... |
But until they do, I'm sticking with "rice-burners"
Natalie
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"PerfectReign" <theperfectreign (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message news:5b3n3oF2q7b7lU3 (AT) mid (DOT) individual.net... On Thu, 17 May 2007 18:30:01 +0000, Vash The Stampede rebooted the Etch-A-Sketch and scribbled: On Thu, 17 May 2007 20:13:31 +0200, George Orwell wrote: post-gazette.com http://snipurl.com/1l0sj How did Toyota manage to squeeze the U.S. passenger-car market from the U.S. giant, General Motors? Cause they build good cars? Because they were ahead of the Economy cruve 30 years ago? Let's put it this way: I bought a 1974 Corolla 1200 for $2525, with an AM/FM radio and a rear window defroster. One neat little thin I liked was the heater and radio had no dash lights, there was a green piece of plastic with a dome light bulb behind it that lit up the dash, and a little tab on it. When you pulled the tab, it opened the green lens and you had a map light. It was built into the overhang of the dash so you could have the map light on and not upset your view of the road. Simple little thing, but obviously meant a lot since I still remember it after 33 years... It got 38 MPG on the highway, until I changed the tires from Bias-Ply to Michelin Radials. Then it got 38 MPG IN TOWN. The Nova I looked at was $3595, a V8 that got 18 MPG overall. And didn't have a little green maplight. Okay, let's compare here. For roughly $1000 less - in 1975 dollars - you got a car with a green map light. You also got a 1200cc four-banger and not a (presumably) 350 V8. If that's what you wanted, then fine. The Corolla was designed for a person looking to move around town. The malibu was designed for people like my dad who wanted to go fast. (We had a '73 Nova at the time.) I don't think "kicking GM's ass" is the correct term these days. Back in '75 - when I was in first grade - GM have strong competition from Hyundai, Kia, Mitsubishi, Honda, Saab, Mercedes, BMW, and Jaguar. Heck, everytime I turn around I see someone driving a BMW 500-series or a Back in 1975 the Hyundai, Kia wasnt even around to be competitive in the US. The Mitsubishi may have just began to start to show up but they were not any real competition. The only japanese cars beginning to hit our shores back then was Toyota, Honda and Datsun/ Nissan. The only reason people began to look at those cars was because of the gas crunch and no other reason. |
Detroit hadn't changed that much since we bought our 62 Corvair that had to
be refloored twice. That had to have the turn signal repaired at least 3
times. That had to have the valves ground twice. We had looked at 1973
American cars. Figured that in order to get one big enough for the family,
we'd have to get one of those PLUG-UGLY 4 door Malibus. The paint wassn't
any better than the Corvair. Two years later we spotted this Toyota on the
used car lot. We fit a lot better in the 72 Carina than the 73 Malibu. The
fit, finish, and paint quality were light years better.
That's why Toyota is kicking GM's butt.
Charles of Schaumburg
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:UF43i.21180$5Z6.10947 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. Could be because the Vintage Novas are now worth $20,000- up. Especially the SS models. They are investments now to be driven on sunny days. Lets face it these cars were popular as hell when gas was cheap. When gas went up people sacrificed and convinced themselves that it was OK to drive boring ugly little cars with a blue map light. Now if gas were dirt cheap again everyone who was not brainwashed would demanding a big v-8 or a 30 foot long car that floated down the road in luxury. |
I may demand satisfaction for an insult like that.
Moreover you have insulted my Dad, who is no longer here to defend himself.
I cannot let you insult my father.
"My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
Charles of Schaumburg
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