"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote

And I got 230,000 out of my last one. And I've never got more than 94,000
out of any American vehicle I've ever owned.

Charles of Schaumburg

"Wickeddoll" <wickeddoll1958DieSpammersDie (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either.

On Sat, 19 May 2007 02:00:16 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts>
wrote:
My parents traded a Ford Gran Torino for a Corolla.

I remember the big deal over a 5 speed transmission!

"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote


The gm group is full of experiences of owners getting over 200,000 miles out
of GM products. That's not an uncommon event at all with GM's.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote


Ummmmmm.... you needed a car big enough to fit the family, you couldn't fit
the family into the Malibu, but you could nicely fit it into the Toyota?

The Toyotas of the early 70's were reliable basic transportation, but to say
that the fit and finish and the paint quality were better than anything from
Detroit at the time is more than just a stretch, it's a complete
misrepresentation. One might even consider it to be a distorted
recollection of the old days.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE (AT) alltel (DOT) net

"Mike Marlow" <mmarlow (AT) alltel (DOT) net> wrote

And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the
Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That
usually kills your average GM product.

My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And
that was a 1995.

This is Toyota country. On a quiet night you can hear a GM rust.

Charles of Schaumburg

"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a
minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000.
I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had
185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000.

"n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message
Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England
where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage
rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years.
I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders.

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was
already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one
Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't
use salt we use calcium chloride..

On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or
just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from
fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it
back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to
threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get
him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting
and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the
lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver.

You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a
General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for
winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.)

Charles of Schaumburg

"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote

Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have
huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000
miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. I had signs of rust
starting on my 95 S-10 at 50,000 miles. Now if I had a normal family and we
had a normal life, maybe we could wash it every Saturday morning like you
do. Unfortunately: 1. I'm single and have been for nearly 50 years. 2.
I'm on call 24/7. I can't own a GM 'Service Queen' like you do. When I
hit the key, my vehicle has to go. 100 above, 20 below, rain, wind, snow,
ice, whatever. About all I do is change the oil regularly and keep up with
the bigger items like flushing the tranny and radiator when it needs it.

I'd really like to know what sort of alterned state you live in where
Toyotas fall apart and GM's don't rust. Do they use special salt? The salt
they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older
GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair.
Twice.. And our turn signal quit working because unlike Toyotas, most GM
products in those days used body ground return, so if the body rotted, the
turn signals grounded through it malfunctioned. I remember having to roll
down the window and stick my arm out in the dead of winter since we hadn't
had a chance to repair the turn signal that winter yet.

So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a
lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good
shape.

Charles of Schaumburg