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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
05-19-2007
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The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either. |
day of infamy in 1941?
We gave them a heck of a defeat back then. It wasnt brag, just fact.
If we want to win economically, it will again have to be no brag, just fact.
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:tvB3i.29404$Um6.8069 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And I've never got more than 94,000 out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000. I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had 185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000. Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't use salt we use calcium chloride.. On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver. You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) Charles of Schaumburg |
winters, and more salt poured on the roads then you could imagine. I have
owned 9 GM cars. My last Grand Prix (1991) went to the junk yard in 2003
with close to 350,000 on it, with *very* little rust, the last Bonnie I had
was almost at 300,000, and had *no* rust what-so-ever, and my current Bonnie
has around 179,000, also with no rust to speak of. You are the one living
in a fantasy world if you think all GM's rust and Toyota's are gift's from
God. Get a grip.
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You are a complete moron. I live in Ontario, where we get damned cold winters, and more salt poured on the roads then you could imagine. I have owned 9 GM cars. My last Grand Prix (1991) went to the junk yard in 2003 with close to 350,000 on it, with *very* little rust, the last Bonnie I had was almost at 300,000, and had *no* rust what-so-ever, and my current Bonnie has around 179,000, also with no rust to speak of. You are the one living in a fantasy world if you think all GM's rust and Toyota's are gift's from God. Get a grip. |
Id have to agree. But I havent owned a rustbucket of any brand in years.
Last one was a Fiat, and they used to come from the factory pre-rusted.
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You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) |
Hiway and back roads.
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I had signs of rust starting on my 95 S-10 at 50,000 miles. Now if I had a normal family and we had a normal life, maybe we could wash it every Saturday morning like you do. |
that is a lot. Neither of my cars was washed from late November to March
when the snow and slush finally disappeared.
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Unfortunately: 1. I'm single and have been for nearly 50 years. 2. I'm on call 24/7. I can't own a GM 'Service Queen' like you do. When I hit the key, my vehicle has to go. 100 above, 20 below, rain, wind, snow, ice, whatever. About all I do is change the oil regularly and keep up with the bigger items like flushing the tranny and radiator when it needs it. |
once, my wife got stuck when the car did not start. I cleaned the cable and
off it went. My LeSabre has never not started in 125,000 miles and six
years. Still the original battery too. I've also been on call in all sorts
of weather and had to go in bizzards to repair medical equipment.
My last purchase was not a GM car, but that was for other reasons than rust
or the ability to start. I can't recall the last time one did not start for
me and I've not had one rust in years, probably since the 1970s. . I too
had a '62 Corvair but did not have it long enough to see if rust would get
to it. All cars rusted back in the '60s though. Very few cars rust today.
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The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. Twice.. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. |
living in altered states. They all rusted in the 60s, they all got better in
the late 80s or so. Rust is pretty much a thing of the past on any brand.
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n5hsr wrote: "Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:tvB3i.29404$Um6.8069 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And I've never got more than 94,000 out of any American vehicle I've ever owned. You must be tough on cars. The last half dozen GM cars I've owned had a minimum or 125,000 (that is in my driveway right now) and most over 150,000. I got rid of my 91 Regal with 148,000 last September. My '80 Old had 185,000, but did have major engine work at 120,000. Nope, just drive them up here in the North in the winter. My 95 S-10 was already starting to show signs of rust at 50,000 miles. I've driven one Toyota over 230,000 miles. We use SALT on the roads here and where we don't use salt we use calcium chloride.. You put salt on roads??? |
or sand. Salt on the State roads, sand often on town & county roads. Salt
on city roads. (Sand clogs the city's storm sewers.)
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WTF??? Okay, please explain why anyone would be stupid enough to put a corrosive substance like than on roads. Don't your tires melt? |
And no, the tires don't melt.
Cathy
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| By the way - my '95 Jimmy had 150K miles in six years with only one issue (fuel injector) replaced under warranty. On top of that, my S-10 had some problems that the dealer couldn't fix or just didn't want to.. My check engine light was coming on all the time from fairly early because they couldn't fix one hose from falling off! I had it back at the dealer 4 times in the first year to fix that. I nearly had to threaten to drive it through his pretty little plate glass windows to get him to finally fix it on the fourth try. Then the gas tank started rusting and he WOULDN"T do anything about that. So at 50,000 miles, I dumped the lemon. I'll never buy another General Maintenance again for a daily driver. You must live in Arid-zona if you're getting that kind of mileage out of a General Maintenance product. That seems to be where they test them for winter durability. (And summer durabilty in the middle of Wisconsin.) Not sure what you mean. If you drive through salt-infested roads, I'd highly suggest you take the car/truck outside and hose it off when you get home. That just makes no sense! |
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| Wow! That's a atretch! The Gran Torino was a good sized car! |
We had a Corolla wagon with 3 kids. All of us learned to drive in the
Corolla, too. I can't believe the clutch survived.
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 07:17:36 -0500, n5hsr wrote: Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000 miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. Wow, Charles. We had a Chevy II (Nova) with about 250,000 miles and NO rust! It was a '64, and we traded it in '72 for a new Corona. It had belonged to the power company, and the guy didn't BS my Mom. Told her it had 150,000 when she bought it. Ran GREAT. We put another 100,000 on it and traded it for the Corona. My '66 Corvair wasn't really rusty...excpet for the Fred Flinstone floorboard behind the driver's seat... And I had a '69 Nova that looked OK...faded paint. Guy from the Insp station said he couldn't pass it because of the missing driver's floor. I opened the dorr and stamped my foot on the floor! He said, "That's the frame you're pounding on..." |
We had to hold our feet up in back, the only thing between the front and
back seats was the brake cable.
We had to replace the floors in the Corvair twice.
OTOH, my 230,000 mile Corolla I had to replace the timing belt once, the CV
joints once, repainted partly once after it had been shot at. But no rust.
Charles of Schaumburg
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:53:52 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years. I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders. Where are you at? I'm in Western Mass. Of course, you can stave off rust with ANY car if you take care of it! |
starting to get it on the Corvair, and had problems with the tail lights
because the ground rusted out. We had to use bigger screws. Twice.
Charles of Schaumburg
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