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Re: Why Toyota is kicking GM's ass -
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:48:09 +0000, Bonehenge (B A R R Y) wrote: On Sat, 19 May 2007 15:41:19 GMT, Hachiroku ???? <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote: Wow! That's a atretch! The Gran Torino was a good sized car! It was a 302 powered boat. <G We had a Corolla wagon with 3 kids. All of us learned to drive in the Corolla, too. I can't believe the clutch survived. My GTS has 259,000 on it, taught two wives to drive 5-speed with it, and it STILL has the original clutch! And, I downshift to boot! Yep it is amazing what people were buying to save gas back then. |
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"Bonehenge (B A R R Y)" <DwightSchrute (AT) DunderMifflin (DOT) com> wrote in message I'll probably use it again Tuesday PM going to Norwood. Air traffic control usually routes me Putnam -> Woonsocket -> Norwood, when approaching from the west. Wiggle the wings over the river. I may be out on the deck if the weather is warm. |
I'll be ~ 5000 feet, but I'll try!
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 20:56:40 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:UF43i.21180$5Z6.10947 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. Could be because the Vintage Novas are now worth $20,000- up. Especially the SS models. They are investments now to be driven on sunny days. Lets face it these cars were popular as hell when gas was cheap. When gas went up people sacrificed and convinced themselves that it was OK to drive boring ugly little cars with a blue map light. Now if gas were dirt cheap again everyone who was not brainwashed would demanding a big v-8 or a 30 foot long car that floated down the road in luxury. It was a green map light. It was $2500. I was 17, and a thousand dollars more was a LOT of money in 1974. It was made very well, and I liked it so much that I have never bought hardly anything but Toyotas since (one VW Crapola and a Honda that was also a great car). The discussion here is NOT whether a Nova was more of a car than a Corolla. It was. The discussion is why GM is now bowing to Toyota as #1. If you read between the lines of my original post, you'll SEE why! Compared to an American car, the Corolla was a tiny, buzzy 'shittebox'. But it was a well made, economical buzzy little shitteboxe that held up for well over 100,000 (I lost track of it at 175,000), cost a grand less, got better fuel economy and was just a cool little car. That has gotten *BETTER* over the years. Compare that to the descendant of the Nova; the Cobalt. A buzzy little shitteboxe that isn't that economical by comparison, isn't well made, but probably is fun to drive. Before that was the Cavalier, that was hit or miss depending on who was in charge of the particular model year's production. And before that...er, it was a Toyota Corolla Sprinter. Even then they STILL couldn't sell the damn things!!! I think most of it comes from brainwashing. People were pissed at American |
the right time. The cars were cheap and cheaply made but they got great gas
mileage. Nothing fancy about them just 4 wheels a little and a box, not much
to break, most didnt even have any power accessories such as power windows.
So Americans lapped it up with the "Their ice is colder" mentality. So the
Japanese established a foot hole developed a following and also took
advantage of union free labor and trade policies which allowed larger
profits from each sale to build newer modern factories. Detroit was tied up
with Union wages and high pensions etc, japanese tariffs would not allow
American cars to be shipped to Japan which also added to the one sidedness
politics.
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"BoobooBear" <Boo (AT) yahaa (DOT) com> wrote in message news:464e4b4a$0$1266$822641b3 (AT) news (DOT) adtechcomputers.com... "Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:UF43i.21180$5Z6.10947 (AT) trndny05 (DOT) .. On Thu, 17 May 2007 15:39:08 -0400, Mike Hunter wrote: Remember it perhaps, but if you go to any of the old car shows around the county, you will see a lot of '74 and older Novas, but you not likely see any '74 Corollas. LOL mike There are a lot more Corollas than Novas here where I live in the NE; a '76, a couple '78s, and a '67 Japanese wagon. I see them a lot more than I see similar vintage Novas. Could be because the Vintage Novas are now worth $20,000- up. Especially the SS models. They are investments now to be driven on sunny days. Lets face it these cars were popular as hell when gas was cheap. When gas went up people sacrificed and convinced themselves that it was OK to drive boring ugly little cars with a blue map light. Now if gas were dirt cheap again everyone who was not brainwashed would demanding a big v-8 or a 30 foot long car that floated down the road in luxury. You saying I'm brainwashed, boy? I may demand satisfaction for an insult like that. Moreover you have insulted my Dad, who is no longer here to defend himself. I cannot let you insult my father. "My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die." Charles of Schaumburg Thats exactly what I am saying Boy, you are brainwashed. You and your dad. |
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 20:49:40 -0400, BoobooBear wrote: It got 38 MPG on the highway, until I changed the tires from Bias-Ply to Michelin Radials. Then it got 38 MPG IN TOWN. The Nova I looked at was $3595, a V8 that got 18 MPG overall. And didn't have a little green maplight. Lets face it a 74-2007 corolla has never been nothing to look at. So you are correct you will never see it in a show. But they are fun to drive, economical and easy to fix if something does break. 4 wheels, a box and an engine, what is there to break? |
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"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp (AT) snet (DOT) net> wrote in message news:kzB3i.29405$Um6.22646 (AT) newssvr12 (DOT) news.prodigy.net... "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years. I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders. Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000 miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. I had signs of rust starting on my 95 S-10 at 50,000 miles. Now if I had a normal family and we had a normal life, maybe we could wash it every Saturday morning like you do. Unfortunately: 1. I'm single and have been for nearly 50 years. 2. I'm on call 24/7. I can't own a GM 'Service Queen' like you do. When I hit the key, my vehicle has to go. 100 above, 20 below, rain, wind, snow, ice, whatever. About all I do is change the oil regularly and keep up with the bigger items like flushing the tranny and radiator when it needs it. I'd really like to know what sort of alterned state you live in where Toyotas fall apart and GM's don't rust. Do they use special salt? The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. Twice.. And our turn signal quit working because unlike Toyotas, most GM products in those days used body ground return, so if the body rotted, the turn signals grounded through it malfunctioned. I remember having to roll down the window and stick my arm out in the dead of winter since we hadn't had a chance to repair the turn signal that winter yet. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. Charles of Schaumburg Are you an idiot or what? No cars had rust proofing in the early to mid |
an option then, foriegn cars included. So you are comparing an old Chevy II
and Corvair from the 60s as a baseline for todays GM products? All cars were
rusting back then, it was a fact of life just like bias ply tires.
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:xSE3i.2885$ix.2812 (AT) trndny01 (DOT) .. On Sat, 19 May 2007 07:17:36 -0500, n5hsr wrote: Usually here in the Midwest it's the General Maintenence products that have huge gaping rust holes in the fenders. We had it on our Chevy II at 67,000 miles. We had it on the Corvair at 94,000 miles. Wow, Charles. We had a Chevy II (Nova) with about 250,000 miles and NO rust! It was a '64, and we traded it in '72 for a new Corona. It had belonged to the power company, and the guy didn't BS my Mom. Told her it had 150,000 when she bought it. Ran GREAT. We put another 100,000 on it and traded it for the Corona. My '66 Corvair wasn't really rusty...excpet for the Fred Flinstone floorboard behind the driver's seat... And I had a '69 Nova that looked OK...faded paint. Guy from the Insp station said he couldn't pass it because of the missing driver's floor. I opened the dorr and stamped my foot on the floor! He said, "That's the frame you're pounding on..." We had a friend that let us borrow his 10 year old Chevelle SS 396 4-door. We had to hold our feet up in back, the only thing between the front and back seats was the brake cable. We had to replace the floors in the Corvair twice. OTOH, my 230,000 mile Corolla I had to replace the timing belt once, the CV joints once, repainted partly once after it had been shot at. But no rust. Charles of Schaumburg |
Chevelle 4 door.
The 396 Chevelle SS came only as a 2 door coupe.
Your lies and comments leave you know credibility at all.
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n5hsr wrote: I'd really like to know what sort of alterned state you live in where Toyotas fall apart and GM's don't rust. Do they use special salt? The salt they use here eats through metal pretty good and I've seen a lot of older GM's with fender rot. We also had to replace the floor in our Corvair. Twice.. And our turn signal quit working because unlike Toyotas, most GM products in those days used body ground return, so if the body rotted, the turn signals grounded through it malfunctioned. I remember having to roll down the window and stick my arm out in the dead of winter since we hadn't had a chance to repair the turn signal that winter yet. So I don't know what reality you're living in, but around here there are a lot of Toyotas from the 1990's still being used as daily drivers and in good shape. Charles of Schaumburg Why do you keep bring up the Corvair, A car out of production almost 40 YEARS!!! I have a friend whose Toyota (Tercel) rusted so badly it didn't last 7 years. Of course it was a 1983 model and the newer models are much better. In defense of Detroit my mom's 1987 Chrysler 5th Avenue, 20 years old with 135,000 miles still has the original exhaust. So based the my observations just listed Japanese is bad and Detroit is good. Your mileage may vary!!!!!! Don't take this all too seriously folks. Truth is it is hard to find a truly bad car of any make. |
comments are fabrications and lies now. His credibilty went out the window
regarding his comment on a 4 door 396 SS Chevelle.
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"Hachiroku ????" <Trueno (AT) AE86 (DOT) gts> wrote in message news:GOE3i.8870$xu.3543 (AT) trndny07 (DOT) .. On Sat, 19 May 2007 11:53:52 +0000, Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "n5hsr" <n5hsr (AT) comcast (DOT) net> wrote in message And where do they drive these? In Arid-zona? I'm driving my Corolla in the Chicago area where we use real salt on the roads in the winter. That usually kills your average GM product. My last GM product was starting to rust at 4 years and 50,000 miles. And that was a 1995. Just to clarify, I posted how long my GM cars lasted and I'm in New England where they salt the roads. My 16 year old Regal had some under carriage rust, but no holes in the body. I've not had rust through in many years. I've seen many an older Toyota with huge holes in the fenders. Where are you at? I'm in Western Mass. Of course, you can stave off rust with ANY car if you take care of it! Then why did the 60's era GM's show up with fender rust so often? We were starting to get it on the Corvair, and had problems with the tail lights because the ground rusted out. We had to use bigger screws. Twice. Charles of Schaumburg |
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"80 Knight" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message The Japanese attacking us apparently doesn't mean much to some either. Are you talking about the successful economics of modern day Japan, or their day of infamy in 1941? We gave them a heck of a defeat back then. It wasnt brag, just fact. If we want to win economically, it will again have to be no brag, just fact. Well it looks like another war is on, all traitors will be rewarded with a |
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