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1987 Golf injectors?!?!
Volkswagen Golf, Jetta, Corrado, Vanagon, new models, etc. (rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled)
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Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! -
03-11-2007
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dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote: I worked on one VW that would not run. After testing this and that I found out that....... Someone had switched the lines going to the fuel distributor. :-o Just a thought! If the car has CIS (K-Jetronic) or CIS-e (KE-Jetronic) injection, swapping the lines to the injectors from the fuel distributor does not matter, there is continuous flow in all four lines (the "C" in CIS stands for continuous). The cold start injector is different, it only turns on briefly during starting. "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_brat (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1173546161.850447.218030 (AT) j27g2000cwj (DOT) googlegroups.com... On Mar 10, 10:46 am, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwd... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Make sure that you don't have a massive intake leak. Make sure that the intake manifold to fuel distributor boot is on tightly with nothing missing from it. If the spark is weak the plug electrodes should be wet and dark when you pull them out. I will ASSuME that you put enough fuel in the tank. Did the mechanic run it out of gas or was there only a little gas in the tank because most of it leaked out? Check the fuel pressure! "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1173466252.867249.136240 (AT) v33g2000cwv (DOT) googlegroups.com... I just bought a 1987 golf 1.8 gas, and the thing will not start anymore, it starts then if you start giving it gas it dies. I just had one of the gas lines fixed since the previous owner pinched it or something. It had the symptoms of no gas line pressure (whenever you hit inclines and such and such). Now that I had the line the car wont start completely , I think the car might of dirty injectors since the mechanic ran it out of gas ( gas guage needs to be rewired). Any ideas? I personally know the mechanic so XXXXX me over is entirely out of the question. Its at the shop. I assume he checked the fuel pressure when he did the lines, I have a couple spare main fuel pumps (dont ask). That was my first guess since the previous owner said it was that, but \ also most things he said turned out to be lies, so I told the mechanic to check out the pump. And as for testing I can't really give you that much of a detailed description of the problem since its been at the shop for about the past week and a half, and at this point Im ready to take matters into my own hands, but I can't even get the car off the lot. |
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lol tell that to the engine when it didn't start until I switched the lines to their correct positions. Remember that there is a pressure valve inside of the fuel distributor that holds pressure inside of the fuel distributor. ;-) So having the lines reverse the pressure never got high enough inside of the fuel distributor. I will assume that there was an engine transplant just before it was brought to me. Or SABOTAGE! ;-) |
The four ports on the fuel distributor on CIS and CIS-e systems do the
same thing, there is no timing, no sequencing. The same holds true for
the injectors; They are identical, no timing, no sequencing. Crossing
the fuel lines between the fuel distributor and the injectors makes no
difference.
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-- later, dave (One out of many daves) "Randolph" <trash (AT) junkmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45F3ADF8.91B3CC95 (AT) junkmail (DOT) com... dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote: I worked on one VW that would not run. After testing this and that I found out that....... Someone had switched the lines going to the fuel distributor. :-o Just a thought! If the car has CIS (K-Jetronic) or CIS-e (KE-Jetronic) injection, swapping the lines to the injectors from the fuel distributor does not matter, there is continuous flow in all four lines (the "C" in CIS stands for continuous). The cold start injector is different, it only turns on briefly during starting. |
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anymore, it starts then if you start giving it gas it dies. I just had one of the gas lines fixed since the previous owner pinched it or something. |
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hit inclines and such and such). Now that I had the line the car wont start completely , I think the car might of dirty injectors since the mechanic ran it out of gas |
system open, and you rand it out of gas, which means whatever crap was
floating on top of the fuel in the tank was probably sucked into the
fuel line. Also, you do know that the pumps -- there are two,
remember -- are cooled by the fuel, right? So one of them might be
burned out now.
All of this aside from the good advice everyone else is giving, which
is basically, "Start with the first things, then proceed through each
step." Random troubleshooting usually gets you nowhere.
A
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dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote: lol tell that to the engine when it didn't start until I switched the lines to their correct positions. Remember that there is a pressure valve inside of the fuel distributor that holds pressure inside of the fuel distributor. ;-) So having the lines reverse the pressure never got high enough inside of the fuel distributor. I will assume that there was an engine transplant just before it was brought to me. Or SABOTAGE! ;-) The four ports on the fuel distributor on CIS and CIS-e systems do the same thing, there is no timing, no sequencing. The same holds true for the injectors; They are identical, no timing, no sequencing. Crossing the fuel lines between the fuel distributor and the injectors makes no difference. -- later, dave (One out of many daves) "Randolph" <trash (AT) junkmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45F3ADF8.91B3CC95 (AT) junkmail (DOT) com... dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote: I worked on one VW that would not run. After testing this and that I found out that....... Someone had switched the lines going to the fuel distributor. :-o Just a thought! If the car has CIS (K-Jetronic) or CIS-e (KE-Jetronic) injection, swapping the lines to the injectors from the fuel distributor does not matter, there is continuous flow in all four lines (the "C" in CIS stands for continuous). The cold start injector is different, it only turns on briefly during starting. |
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lol Ahhh A little bit of miscommunication........I understand you now! But I was referring to the MAIN fuel lines going into and coming out of the fuel distributor both going to the rear of the vehicle (fuel tank). NOT the fuel injector lines. ;-) But you are right about the fuel injector lines. <g -- later, dave (One out of many daves) "Randolph" <t... (AT) junkmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45F4E382.974C1273 (AT) junkmail (DOT) com... dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote: lol tell that to the engine when it didn't start until I switched the lines to their correct positions. Remember that there is a pressure valve inside of the fuel distributor that holds pressure inside of the fuel distributor. ;-) So having the lines reverse the pressure never got high enough inside of the fuel distributor. I will assume that there was an engine transplant just before it was brought to me. Or SABOTAGE! ;-) The four ports on the fuel distributor on CIS and CIS-e systems do the same thing, there is no timing, no sequencing. The same holds true for the injectors; They are identical, no timing, no sequencing. Crossing the fuel lines between the fuel distributor and the injectors makes no difference. -- later, dave (One out of many daves) "Randolph" <t... (AT) junkmail (DOT) com> wrote in message news:45F3ADF8.91B3CC95 (AT) junkmail (DOT) com... dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote: I worked on one VW that would not run. After testing this and that I found out that....... Someone had switched the lines going to the fuel distributor. :-o Just a thought! If the car has CIS (K-Jetronic) or CIS-e (KE-Jetronic) injection, swapping the lines to the injectors from the fuel distributor does not matter, there is continuous flow in all four lines (the "C" in CIS stands for continuous). The cold start injector is different, it only turns on briefly during starting. |
completely fucked therefor the car not firing properly. Im having my
timing belt changed as I type this.... 200 dollars later....
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Well the mechanic came to the conclusion that the timing is almost completely fucked therefor the car not firing properly. Im having my timing belt changed as I type this.... 200 dollars later.... |
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On 13 Mar 2007 18:07:45 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Well the mechanic came to the conclusion that the timing is almost completely fucked therefor the car not firing properly. Im having my timing belt changed as I type this.... 200 dollars later.... and now you have to pay the 200$ fine for using nasty language in here AGAIN Rough day rather days. I'm sorry if you were in any way offended by |
any opinions on the mechanics diagnosis?
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On Mar 13, 9:34 pm, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: On 13 Mar 2007 18:07:45 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Well the mechanic came to the conclusion that the timing is almost completely fucked therefor the car not firing properly. Im having my timing belt changed as I type this.... 200 dollars later.... and now you have to pay the 200$ fine for using nasty language in here AGAIN Rough day rather days. I'm sorry if you were in any way offended by the obscurity of 2 words, stop trying to change the subject. Anyways, any opinions on the mechanics diagnosis? |
but you said the car starts but won't stay running when giving it throttle.
could be a sheared key maybe - and if he is right there doing a belt -
you should replace the waterpump cause it's right there.
lol - no I was not offended but we don't see to much language like that in here
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On 13 Mar 2007 19:27:52 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" the_lower_class_brat (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: On Mar 13, 9:34 pm, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: On 13 Mar 2007 18:07:45 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Well the mechanic came to the conclusion that the timing is almost completely fucked therefor the car not firing properly. Im having my timing belt changed as I type this.... 200 dollars later.... and now you have to pay the 200$ fine for using nasty language in here AGAIN Rough day rather days. I'm sorry if you were in any way offended by the obscurity of 2 words, stop trying to change the subject. Anyways, any opinions on the mechanics diagnosis? well - if it's a failed belt due to teeth lost , making the spark timing off - ok > BUT but you said the car starts but won't stay running when giving it throttle. could be a sheared key maybe - and if he is right there doing a belt - you should replace the waterpump cause it's right there. lol - no I was not offended but we don't see to much language like that in here |
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I have seen this problem a few times. Usually it was some teeth on the Timing belt missing and one time it was hollow teeth which appeared visually good. And of course the broken crank sprocket Both allowed the camshaft timing to change but sometimes would start only to die again as it went out of time. Sometimes you could hear the compression as the starter turned over the engine and sometimes it sounded like no compression. You learn from the 'hours' of diagnosing on the first Timing belt failure to check all the ones that come in with a starting/running problem. lol I have also found that an oil pump overpressurizing the hydraulic lifters (cam followers) and keep the valves open so compression is lost. This I have only seen once on a rebuilt engine with a new oil pump and I never would have believed it. Engine would start and run for a very short time and then calmly die. Crank over engine and it sounded like no compression unless you let the engine sit for awhile. -- later, dave (One out of many daves) samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:45f76fc6.26067463 (AT) news (DOT) epix.net... On 13 Mar 2007 19:27:52 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: On Mar 13, 9:34 pm, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: On 13 Mar 2007 18:07:45 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com wrote: Well the mechanic came to the conclusion that the timing is almost completely fucked therefor the car not firing properly. Im having my timing belt changed as I type this.... 200 dollars later.... and now you have to pay the 200$ fine for using nasty language in here AGAIN Rough day rather days. I'm sorry if you were in any way offended by the obscurity of 2 words, stop trying to change the subject. Anyways, any opinions on the mechanics diagnosis? well - if it's a failed belt due to teeth lost , making the spark timing off - ok > BUT but you said the car starts but won't stay running when giving it throttle. could be a sheared key maybe - and if he is right there doing a belt - you should replace the waterpump cause it's right there. lol - no I was not offended but we don't see to much language like that in here |
up the car before hearing I needed a new belt, I got the car idoling
fine popped it into reverse rolled a bit(synchros are messed up always
mess up 1 and reverse ) then popped it into first and Conk the thing
died out! The car started fine before I took it to the shop, the
mechanic said the timing was off and he fiddled with it but obviously
Im guess he just made it worse, and now the car wont start. Anyways
bottom line is that Im 99% it needed a new timing belt anyways because
I have no record of it ever being replaced. Now Ill be sure that its
good to go and the timing will be set up properly.
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