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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-14-2007 , 06:12 AM






On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 03:10:19 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
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I have also found that an oil pump overpressurizing the hydraulic lifters
(cam followers) and keep the valves open so compression is lost. This I
have only seen once on a rebuilt engine with a new oil pump and I never
would have believed it. Engine would start and run for a very short time
and then calmly die. Crank over engine and it sounded like no compression
unless you let the engine sit for awhile.
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dave
oh my , i'm going to keep this one in mind and hope I never run across it.


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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-14-2007 , 01:43 PM






On 13 Mar 2007 20:23:33 -0700, in rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
(message <1173842613.587040.163250 (AT) p15g2000hsd (DOT) googlegroups.com>),
the_lower_class_brat <the_lower_class_brat (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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fine popped it into reverse rolled a bit(synchros are messed up always
mess up 1 and reverse )
If I had to bet, I'd say that's not the synchros, but the shift
linkage. The car's the right age, too.

Actually, this car sounds like it has a lot wrong with it. I hope you
got it for a song, because if you have to take it to the mechanic all
the time who misdiagnoses things, you're going to find you'd be able to
buy a new car with the money you spent on the mechanic. I suggest you
get a Bentley manual for yourself, and then read up on possible issues
with the car _before_ you take it to the mechanic. An educated
consumer, &c. &c.

A



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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-14-2007 , 04:54 PM



On Mar 14, 2:43 pm, Andrew Sullivan
<a... (AT) ringer (DOT) phlogiston.dyndns.org> wrote:
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On 13 Mar 2007 20:23:33 -0700, in rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
(message <1173842613.587040.163... (AT) p15g2000hsd (DOT) googlegroups.com>),

the_lower_class_brat <the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
fine popped it into reverse rolled a bit(synchros are messed up always
mess up 1 and reverse )

If I had to bet, I'd say that's not the synchros, but the shift
linkage. The car's the right age, too.

Actually, this car sounds like it has a lot wrong with it. I hope you
got it for a song, because if you have to take it to the mechanic all
the time who misdiagnoses things, you're going to find you'd be able to
buy a new car with the money you spent on the mechanic. I suggest you
get a Bentley manual for yourself, and then read up on possible issues
with the car _before_ you take it to the mechanic. An educated
consumer, &c. &c.

A
I have the Service manual, I dont have a garage and theres snow
everywhere, and I personally know the mechanic. He said either way the
belts going to have to be replaced, same with everyone at the garage
(car is john deer green, everybody knows it at the garage). Since the
car is a non interference engine, the engine is somewhat still fine.
AS for buying another car, its out of the question, I need a car
PRONTO for school and back. Although the car isnt functioning at the
moment, it will (emphasize on "will") be good on gas, which is the
main reason why I purchased the beater.



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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-14-2007 , 06:01 PM



On 14 Mar 2007 14:54:12 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_brat (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

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with the car _before_ you take it to the mechanic. An educated
consumer, &c. &c.
A

I have the Service manual, I dont have a garage and theres snow
everywhere, and I personally know the mechanic. He said either way the
belts going to have to be replaced, same with everyone at the garage
(car is john deer green, everybody knows it at the garage). Since the
car is a non interference engine, the engine is somewhat still fine.
AS for buying another car, its out of the question, I need a car
PRONTO for school and back. Although the car isnt functioning at the
moment, it will (emphasize on "will") be good on gas, which is the
main reason why I purchased the beater.

lol , john deere green , any fun attachments? ( moxwer deck , plow , ect....)
my three rabbits with good winter tyres were snomobiles ( jd makes snomachines too)
here's the question from me to you
do you spend money now for the water pump ( yeah , i've been a student with
money flow 'issues' ) OR later for the w.p. plus the labor to install it.
quote : an educated consumer &c. &c. unquote, A said ...
it's like fire insurance for your house one day : a little money each month to insure it
, or possible loss of everything in a fire PLUS no ins. money ( always share you're
treasured digital pictures with people that's really cheap insurance )
yeah ok , a little dramatic comparison but you get my drift
i had a 74 99 ems saab one time ( actually a very long time ) that was SUNSET ORANGE
lol, i don't know which car, your j.d. green golf or that saab would get more attention




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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-14-2007 , 06:45 PM



On Mar 14, 7:01 pm, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
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On 14 Mar 2007 14:54:12 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_b... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:

with the car _before_ you take it to the mechanic. An educated
consumer, &c. &c.
A

I have the Service manual, I dont have a garage and theres snow
everywhere, and I personally know the mechanic. He said either way the
belts going to have to be replaced, same with everyone at the garage
(car is john deer green, everybody knows it at the garage). Since the
car is a non interference engine, the engine is somewhat still fine.
AS for buying another car, its out of the question, I need a car
PRONTO for school and back. Although the car isnt functioning at the
moment, it will (emphasize on "will") be good on gas, which is the
main reason why I purchased the beater.

lol , john deere green , any fun attachments? ( moxwer deck , plow , ect....)
my three rabbits with good winter tyres were snomobiles ( jd makes snomachines too)
here's the question from me to you
do you spend money now for the water pump ( yeah , i've been a student with
money flow 'issues' ) OR later for the w.p. plus the labor to install it.
quote : an educated consumer &c. &c. unquote, A said ...
it's like fire insurance for your house one day : a little money each month to insure it
, or possible loss of everything in a fire PLUS no ins. money ( always share you're
treasured digital pictures with people that's really cheap insurance )
yeah ok , a little dramatic comparison but you get my drift
i had a 74 99 ems saab one time ( actually a very long time ) that was SUNSET ORANGE
lol, i don't know which car, your j.d. green golf or that saab would get more attention
Haha, sounds like a treasure, but atleast your car probably ran, mines
a giant piece of you know what, A person who has worked with vws their
whole life suggested to check out the coil.
I also should of check the relay... but now that lawn mower wont even
start. It's rather funny because the 1.8s are so small they could pass
for some sort of MEGA mower. Should of never gave up my honda accord
for this, even though I rather hate honda and am a huge VW enthusiast.



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Randolph
 
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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-15-2007 , 11:37 PM





dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
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lol Ahhh A little bit of miscommunication........I understand you now!
But I was referring to the MAIN fuel lines going into and coming out of the
fuel distributor both going to the rear of the vehicle (fuel tank).
NOT the fuel injector lines. ;-)
But you are right about the fuel injector lines. <g
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

Oh, THOSE lines to the fuel distributor. Yeah, I wouldn't want to argue
that they were interchangeable...


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"Randolph" <trash (AT) junkmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
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dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

lol
tell that to the engine when it didn't start until I switched the lines
to
their correct positions.
Remember that there is a pressure valve inside of the fuel distributor
that
holds pressure inside of the fuel distributor. ;-)
So having the lines reverse the pressure never got high enough inside of
the
fuel distributor. I will assume that there was an engine transplant just
before it was brought to me. Or SABOTAGE! ;-)


The four ports on the fuel distributor on CIS and CIS-e systems do the
same thing, there is no timing, no sequencing. The same holds true for
the injectors; They are identical, no timing, no sequencing. Crossing
the fuel lines between the fuel distributor and the injectors makes no
difference.


--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"Randolph" <trash (AT) junkmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:45F3ADF8.91B3CC95 (AT) junkmail (DOT) com...
dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:

I worked on one VW that would not run. After testing this and that I
found
out that.......
Someone had switched the lines going to the fuel distributor. :-o
Just a thought!

If the car has CIS (K-Jetronic) or CIS-e (KE-Jetronic) injection,
swapping the lines to the injectors from the fuel distributor does not
matter, there is continuous flow in all four lines (the "C" in CIS
stands for continuous). The cold start injector is different, it only
turns on briefly during starting.

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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-16-2007 , 10:17 AM



Well this completely suscks, the mechanic replaced the belt and its
still not running, tried dist cap, tried everything. I forgot to say
that I can only get it to idol if I pump the gas for a bit, but soon
as I try to get it in gear, it stalls, like as if it's starving on
gas. I don't understand this and neither do the mechanics, it has
become quite the brain twister. Also sounds as if it might be choking
for air, ive tried looking at the filter but its tough with the
idiotic fuel lines in the way. But I dont think that an air filter
could get so dirty as to the car not even start properly.


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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-16-2007 , 11:11 AM



On Mar 16, 11:17 am, "the_lower_class_brat" But I dont think that an
air filter
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could get so dirty as to the car not even start properly.
Sure could if some squirrels or mice decide that this is their storage
facility. Been there, done that.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA



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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-16-2007 , 11:44 AM



On 16 Mar 2007 08:17:19 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat" <the_lower_class_brat (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
wrote:

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Well this completely suscks, the mechanic replaced the belt and its
still not running, tried dist cap, tried everything. I forgot to say
that I can only get it to idol if I pump the gas for a bit, but soon
as I try to get it in gear, it stalls, like as if it's starving on
gas. I don't understand this and neither do the mechanics, it has
become quite the brain twister. Also sounds as if it might be choking
for air, ive tried looking at the filter but its tough with the
idiotic fuel lines in the way. But I dont think that an air filter
could get so dirty as to the car not even start properly.
Like Peter said , yes the air intake/filter can be blocked so badly
that the engine won't run. Also the exhaust ( like the inlet of the
cat ) can be blocked to the point the engine wont run.


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Default Re: 1987 Golf injectors?!?! - 03-16-2007 , 07:04 PM



Hmmm that would mean you need to find another mechanic! Did you have to pay
since the problem was not solved?
Whereabouts are you so we can find someone to help you.

If you still want to repair it yourself.......................
There are tools you can use in order to diagnose what is wrong or what is
happening.
Vacuum gauge can help you find vacuum leaks or problems with a cat. conv.
Fuel pressure gauge can help you find a problem with the fuel system.
The Bentley repair manual can help you understand your engine and it's
systems.
Your senses can help you locate wiring broken or the intake manifold boot
cracked.

I guess I would pull out the injectors and point them into containers,
remove the large intake manifold boot to access the fuel distributor plate,
jump the fuel pump relay to run the fuel pumps, turn the ign switch to the
'ON' position and pull up the fuel distributor plate while examining the
injectors.
Report findings and please use common sense and safety precautions.
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

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On 16 Mar 2007 08:17:19 -0700, "the_lower_class_brat"
the_lower_class_brat (AT) hotmail (DOT) com
wrote:

Well this completely suscks, the mechanic replaced the belt and its
still not running, tried dist cap, tried everything. I forgot to say
that I can only get it to idol if I pump the gas for a bit, but soon
as I try to get it in gear, it stalls, like as if it's starving on
gas. I don't understand this and neither do the mechanics, it has
become quite the brain twister. Also sounds as if it might be choking
for air, ive tried looking at the filter but its tough with the
idiotic fuel lines in the way. But I dont think that an air filter
could get so dirty as to the car not even start properly.

Like Peter said , yes the air intake/filter can be blocked so badly
that the engine won't run. Also the exhaust ( like the inlet of the
cat ) can be blocked to the point the engine wont run.



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