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1989 16V no start
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Re: 1989 16V no start -
04-07-2007
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On Apr 7, 10:25 am, Jim Behning jimbehn... (AT) doesthisblockpork (DOT) mindspring.com> wrote: So the mice in my John Deere will be clean? Will my dogs still go crazy hunting the rodents? On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 08:24:24 -0500, "dave AKA vwdoc1" vwd... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: I wish that did work for gremlins! lol Also you could try some bars of Irish Spring soap. I hear it works as well as mothballs but has a better smell. ;-) samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote in messagenews:46177541.8830492 (AT) news (DOT) epix.net... snip Maybe you can get some info from this url on your knock box. http://www.driversfound.com/scirocco...e/knocksensor/ I looked at the wiring schematic for the 88 ( no 89 listed :-( bummer ) But there is a 10amp fuse between the coil and the two switches for throttle position, and on the 88 diagram there is a feed to injection control from the knock box. Rodents : I use mothballs in 6 x 6 inch pouches made out of window screening ( kinda like a envelope stapled on the sides with a fold flap on top so you can replace the mothballs after they get old) in places where the rodents like to build there houses. Two of these under the hood of my 83 powerwagon ( a beater used only for snow plowing) keeps rodents away. I also put these mothball pouches in my JD lawn tractor and an ATV. I remove the pouches when I use the vehicles so I don't have to smell them and replace them after use. A pain in the butt , but since I've been doing it I have not had problems with rodents - I wonder what works for gremlins?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I'll have to go check the amperage and look for some fuses. I have the wiring diagrams but for some reason they seam incomplete or at least they don't show the full circuit from start to finish. As an aside... I tried the soap trick...but the little bastards ate it. That might of been Zest soap though.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
and replace the knock box. If I turn the motor off it only wants to
start on the second or third try. I'm thinking maybe fuel pressure
related but it's cold and snowing right now so more diagnostics will
need to wait.
Thanks everyone for your help.
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I'll have to go check the amperage and look for some fuses. I have the wiring diagrams but for some reason they seam incomplete or at least they don't show the full circuit from start to finish. As an aside... I tried the soap trick...but the little bastards ate it. That might of been Zest soap though. |
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Dirty mouth little rodents! lol glad it started but I still don't trust it! "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote in message news:1175956905.869867.83250 (AT) n59g2000hsh (DOT) googlegroups.com... I'll have to go check the amperage and look for some fuses. I have the wiring diagrams but for some reason they seam incomplete or at least they don't show the full circuit from start to finish. As an aside... I tried the soap trick...but the little bastards ate it. That might of been Zest soap though.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
start the car. So far it's started every time-first crank.
Thinking maybe a loose wire to the relay at the fuse box or some other
hidden demon.
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I don't trust it either, so now every time I take my dog out, I try to start the car. So far it's started every time-first crank. Thinking maybe a loose wire to the relay at the fuse box or some other hidden demon. OK <<< but will the ' after a week ' test have the same results? |
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On 8 Apr 2007 08:11:22 -0700, "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: I don't trust it either, so now every time I take my dog out, I try to start the car. So far it's started every time-first crank. Thinking maybe a loose wire to the relay at the fuse box or some other hidden demon. OK <<< but will the ' after a week ' test have the same results? |
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On Apr 8, 11:30 am, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: On 8 Apr 2007 08:11:22 -0700, "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: I don't trust it either, so now every time I take my dog out, I try to start the car. So far it's started every time-first crank. Thinking maybe a loose wire to the relay at the fuse box or some other hidden demon. OK <<< but will the ' after a week ' test have the same results? I really hope it does! |
didn't actually look at it, just tried to start it and it just turns
over. Accumulator, regulator...help!
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On Apr 8, 1:14 pm, "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: On Apr 8, 11:30 am, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: On 8 Apr 2007 08:11:22 -0700, "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: I don't trust it either, so now every time I take my dog out, I try to start the car. So far it's started every time-first crank. Thinking maybe a loose wire to the relay at the fuse box or some other hidden demon. OK <<< but will the ' after a week ' test have the same results? I really hope it does! Well...dammit!! 4 days went by and now it won't start again??? I didn't actually look at it, just tried to start it and it just turns over. Accumulator, regulator...help! |
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Well...dammit!! 4 days went by and now it won't start again??? I didn't actually look at it, just tried to start it and it just turns over. Accumulator, regulator...help! My guess would be an electrical open for the electornic control |
box. Any signs of water drips under the dash? ( blocked drains
in the cowl drain)
Intermittant faults are a hassle to locate so keep your
troubleshooting/inspections to one area before trying to get it to start.
And one thing I'd try which is 'accumulator in mind related ' turn the key
from off to run ( no start ) five or six times then try to start. I'd try this test
first before even popping the hood release.
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On 12 Apr 2007 19:52:12 -0700, "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Well...dammit!! 4 days went by and now it won't start again??? I didn't actually look at it, just tried to start it and it just turns over. Accumulator, regulator...help! My guess would be an electrical open for the electornic control of the injectors. Maybe power supply related at the fuse/relay box. Any signs of water drips under the dash? ( blocked drains in the cowl drain) Intermittant faults are a hassle to locate so keep your troubleshooting/inspections to one area before trying to get it to start. And one thing I'd try which is 'accumulator in mind related ' turn the key from off to run ( no start ) five or six times then try to start. I'd try this test first before even popping the hood release. |
good-190 across 3 and 180 in the last one.
After I turn it over with the resulting no start the plugs are wet
with fuel. That leads me to ignition. It has a good blue spark at all
4 wires.
I have tried running the pump with the key 5 or 6 times before
cranking and no luck.
Here's the thing that's got me beat. When I do get it started it runs
like a top. Good power, smooth idle, no vac leaks and good throttle
response.
I haven't been able to find anything obvious like water on the box,
carbon tracks in the cap, bad grounds or anything else. The previous
owner assured me it never behaved like this before. I'm thinking it
may just be a matter of time before the car knows that I will love it
as much as my other 89 16V.
Thanks for all the tips. Tomorrow is the weekend so I will start over
with the simple stuff first. I'll keep you posted. If anyone can think
of something I missed, let me know. It's not a parts car YET.
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On Apr 13, 5:36 am, samst... (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote: On 12 Apr 2007 19:52:12 -0700, "Rick" <far... (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote: Well...dammit!! 4 days went by and now it won't start again??? I didn't actually look at it, just tried to start it and it just turns over. Accumulator, regulator...help! My guess would be an electrical open for the electornic control of the injectors. Maybe power supply related at the fuse/relay box. Any signs of water drips under the dash? ( blocked drains in the cowl drain) Intermittant faults are a hassle to locate so keep your troubleshooting/inspections to one area before trying to get it to start. And one thing I'd try which is 'accumulator in mind related ' turn the key from off to run ( no start ) five or six times then try to start. I'd try this test first before even popping the hood release. Allright, first things first...it has air, fuel and spark. Comp. is good-190 across 3 and 180 in the last one. After I turn it over with the resulting no start the plugs are wet with fuel. That leads me to ignition. It has a good blue spark at all 4 wires. I have tried running the pump with the key 5 or 6 times before cranking and no luck. Here's the thing that's got me beat. When I do get it started it runs like a top. Good power, smooth idle, no vac leaks and good throttle response. I haven't been able to find anything obvious like water on the box, carbon tracks in the cap, bad grounds or anything else. The previous owner assured me it never behaved like this before. I'm thinking it may just be a matter of time before the car knows that I will love it as much as my other 89 16V. Thanks for all the tips. Tomorrow is the weekend so I will start over with the simple stuff first. I'll keep you posted. If anyone can think of something I missed, let me know. It's not a parts car YET. |
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