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Default 2002 GTI 337 Overheat - 05-14-2007 , 12:25 AM






I've encountered my first 'major' problem with the 337. I was driving
down the road the other day and my temperature warning light came on
and my temperature gauge was almost pegged. I pulled over, shut the
car off and let it sit for a few. Once the temp came down below half,
I started to drive again. Car quickly pegged out. So, I let it cool
down again. This time I turn on the AC to make sure the fans are
working, they are. OK, I drive a while and the car heats up again. So,
I continue this until I get her home.(luckily only a few miles) I do
the VAG-COM thing, no codes. I then let the car idle while watching
the temp readout on VAG-COM. Once the temps get above @ 105 C, I
decide thats enough temp for the fan to kick in.
The next day, I jumper the fan to verify that it is working. I also
put a meter on the coolant fan switch (located in lower part of
radiator). I start the car and let it get hot. No joy on the switch,
so I think "cool, and easy part to fix". Well, I start to look on the
Internet about cooling problems on VW's and in a thread somewhere
someone mentions checking upper and lower hose temps. I go check mine.
Top one HOT, bottom one, not much hotter than engine bay. OK. This
tells me that I have a flow problem (no wonder switch in radiator
never worked).
I am not losing any coolant, and there isn't any evidence that I can
see that would indicate any leaks.
Here is the deal. More than likely it is either a thermostat, or a
water pump. Without taking the right side of my engine apart, how can
I tell if my water pump is pumping? Any suggestions? I guess the
easiest thing would be for me to change the thermostat first tonight
and see if that fixes the problem, but I don't want to have to drain
the thing twice if I don't have to.
Bottom line here is Does anyone know of a procedure to see if the
water pump is flowing? Any help here would be appreciated.

(couple of hours later)

Ok, so I haven't cracked a line open yet (too late right now), and was
wondering if any of you experts out there can answer a couple of
questions. When looking at the motor (1.8t GTI), which way does the
coolant flow? does it come out and toward the lower hose of the
radiator, then exit the top hose and go toward the engine? (Where
green temp sensor located) If my thermostat is bad would it cause the
symptom of the top hose getting HOT and the lower hose to be at
ambient temperature? If my water pump was bad could it cause a
similar symptom? Just curious as I have a few hours to kill before
the parts stores open in the a.m.
Any help would be greatly appreciated


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Default Re: 2002 GTI 337 Overheat - 05-14-2007 , 06:34 AM






If the water pump was bad you would get very poor heat inside of the cabin!

If the thermostat was bad you should get good heat, or in your case
superheated heat, inside of the cabin if your water pump was good!

The coolant usually flows from the engine through the top radiator hose
through the radiator out the bottom of the radiator hose back into the
engine.

"Jackson" <J (AT) CK (DOT) SON> wrote

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On 13 May 2007 22:25:28 -0700, "sincity.337 (AT) gmail (DOT) com"
sincity.337 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I've encountered my first 'major' problem with the 337. I was driving
down the road the other day and my temperature warning light came on
and my temperature gauge was almost pegged. I pulled over, shut the
car off and let it sit for a few. Once the temp came down below half,
I started to drive again. Car quickly pegged out. So, I let it cool
down again. This time I turn on the AC to make sure the fans are
working, they are. OK, I drive a while and the car heats up again. So,
I continue this until I get her home.(luckily only a few miles) I do
the VAG-COM thing, no codes. I then let the car idle while watching
the temp readout on VAG-COM. Once the temps get above @ 105 C, I
decide thats enough temp for the fan to kick in.
The next day, I jumper the fan to verify that it is working. I also
put a meter on the coolant fan switch (located in lower part of
radiator). I start the car and let it get hot. No joy on the switch,
so I think "cool, and easy part to fix". Well, I start to look on the
Internet about cooling problems on VW's and in a thread somewhere
someone mentions checking upper and lower hose temps. I go check mine.
Top one HOT, bottom one, not much hotter than engine bay. OK. This
tells me that I have a flow problem (no wonder switch in radiator
never worked).
I am not losing any coolant, and there isn't any evidence that I can
see that would indicate any leaks.
Here is the deal. More than likely it is either a thermostat, or a
water pump. Without taking the right side of my engine apart, how can
I tell if my water pump is pumping? Any suggestions? I guess the
easiest thing would be for me to change the thermostat first tonight
and see if that fixes the problem, but I don't want to have to drain
the thing twice if I don't have to.
Bottom line here is Does anyone know of a procedure to see if the
water pump is flowing? Any help here would be appreciated.

(couple of hours later)

Ok, so I haven't cracked a line open yet (too late right now), and was
wondering if any of you experts out there can answer a couple of
questions. When looking at the motor (1.8t GTI), which way does the
coolant flow? does it come out and toward the lower hose of the
radiator, then exit the top hose and go toward the engine? (Where
green temp sensor located) If my thermostat is bad would it cause the
symptom of the top hose getting HOT and the lower hose to be at
ambient temperature? If my water pump was bad could it cause a
similar symptom? Just curious as I have a few hours to kill before
the parts stores open in the a.m.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

While the vehicle is running.. observe the coolant tank and verify
that you have coolant flow coming out of the bleed hose at the top.

From what you describe it sounds as if your water pump is faulty. You
can remove the drive belt, and pull back the alternator to inspect the
water pump blade through the thermostat hole. The blade portion on
those particular water pumps tend to migrate off over time, even crack
apart in the block. Stick you fingers inside and try to spin the
blade, at the observing for any cracked damaged pieces floating around
in there. The blade shouldn't be spinning unless the timing belt is
moving.

--
Jackson



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Default Re: 2002 GTI 337 Overheat - 05-14-2007 , 11:55 AM



boy... is that a easy check which works abbout 95% of the time.


"dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
If the water pump was bad you would get very poor heat inside of the
cabin!

If the thermostat was bad you should get good heat, or in your case
superheated heat, inside of the cabin if your water pump was good!

The coolant usually flows from the engine through the top radiator hose
through the radiator out the bottom of the radiator hose back into the
engine.

"Jackson" <J (AT) CK (DOT) SON> wrote in message
news:2cqf43152je476neb8mtk6hi9qrpsfu13b (AT) 4ax (DOT) com...
On 13 May 2007 22:25:28 -0700, "sincity.337 (AT) gmail (DOT) com"
sincity.337 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I've encountered my first 'major' problem with the 337. I was driving
down the road the other day and my temperature warning light came on
and my temperature gauge was almost pegged. I pulled over, shut the
car off and let it sit for a few. Once the temp came down below half,
I started to drive again. Car quickly pegged out. So, I let it cool
down again. This time I turn on the AC to make sure the fans are
working, they are. OK, I drive a while and the car heats up again. So,
I continue this until I get her home.(luckily only a few miles) I do
the VAG-COM thing, no codes. I then let the car idle while watching
the temp readout on VAG-COM. Once the temps get above @ 105 C, I
decide thats enough temp for the fan to kick in.
The next day, I jumper the fan to verify that it is working. I also
put a meter on the coolant fan switch (located in lower part of
radiator). I start the car and let it get hot. No joy on the switch,
so I think "cool, and easy part to fix". Well, I start to look on the
Internet about cooling problems on VW's and in a thread somewhere
someone mentions checking upper and lower hose temps. I go check mine.
Top one HOT, bottom one, not much hotter than engine bay. OK. This
tells me that I have a flow problem (no wonder switch in radiator
never worked).
I am not losing any coolant, and there isn't any evidence that I can
see that would indicate any leaks.
Here is the deal. More than likely it is either a thermostat, or a
water pump. Without taking the right side of my engine apart, how can
I tell if my water pump is pumping? Any suggestions? I guess the
easiest thing would be for me to change the thermostat first tonight
and see if that fixes the problem, but I don't want to have to drain
the thing twice if I don't have to.
Bottom line here is Does anyone know of a procedure to see if the
water pump is flowing? Any help here would be appreciated.

(couple of hours later)

Ok, so I haven't cracked a line open yet (too late right now), and was
wondering if any of you experts out there can answer a couple of
questions. When looking at the motor (1.8t GTI), which way does the
coolant flow? does it come out and toward the lower hose of the
radiator, then exit the top hose and go toward the engine? (Where
green temp sensor located) If my thermostat is bad would it cause the
symptom of the top hose getting HOT and the lower hose to be at
ambient temperature? If my water pump was bad could it cause a
similar symptom? Just curious as I have a few hours to kill before
the parts stores open in the a.m.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

While the vehicle is running.. observe the coolant tank and verify
that you have coolant flow coming out of the bleed hose at the top.

From what you describe it sounds as if your water pump is faulty. You
can remove the drive belt, and pull back the alternator to inspect the
water pump blade through the thermostat hole. The blade portion on
those particular water pumps tend to migrate off over time, even crack
apart in the block. Stick you fingers inside and try to spin the
blade, at the observing for any cracked damaged pieces floating around
in there. The blade shouldn't be spinning unless the timing belt is
moving.

--
Jackson





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Default Re: 2002 GTI 337 Overheat - 05-14-2007 , 03:07 PM



Hey Folks,

Update on the overheat problem. I pulled the thermostat and housing,
reached into the water pump cavity and found that the impeller can be
turned by hand. (feels kinds crunchy too).
So, I've learned a valuable lessing in cooling problem
troubleshooting. If your upper hose is hot, lower hose is cold, and
you don't get any significant heating in the cabin, then your water
pump is probably shot. If you have the same symptoms except you have
heat in the cabin, it's probably your thermostat.
Thanks to everyone for the inputs, I really appreciate it.
Part should be here tomorrow, wish me luck :-)


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Default Re: 2002 GTI 337 Overheat - 05-14-2007 , 10:11 PM



LUCK! lol

<sincity.337 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hey Folks,

Update on the overheat problem. I pulled the thermostat and housing,
reached into the water pump cavity and found that the impeller can be
turned by hand. (feels kinds crunchy too).
So, I've learned a valuable lessing in cooling problem
troubleshooting. If your upper hose is hot, lower hose is cold, and
you don't get any significant heating in the cabin, then your water
pump is probably shot. If you have the same symptoms except you have
heat in the cabin, it's probably your thermostat.
Thanks to everyone for the inputs, I really appreciate it.
Part should be here tomorrow, wish me luck :-)




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Default Re: 2002 GTI 337 Overheat - 05-15-2007 , 11:58 AM



BINGO!


<sincity.337 (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Hey Folks,

Update on the overheat problem. I pulled the thermostat and housing,
reached into the water pump cavity and found that the impeller can be
turned by hand. (feels kinds crunchy too).
So, I've learned a valuable lessing in cooling problem
troubleshooting. If your upper hose is hot, lower hose is cold, and
you don't get any significant heating in the cabin, then your water
pump is probably shot. If you have the same symptoms except you have
heat in the cabin, it's probably your thermostat.
Thanks to everyone for the inputs, I really appreciate it.
Part should be here tomorrow, wish me luck :-)




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