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Default 96 jetta no start - 04-27-2007 , 09:27 PM






I have a 96 Jetta GL III 2.0 ABA engine auto trans.
Drove 1 block from home yesterday and it just died.
Pushed it home and it sits in the driveway. Do not have any spark.
Changed coil, dist cap, rotor and plug wires with known good ones.
Put the code reader on and had P341 -camshaft sensor code set.
Cleared the code and cranked the engine a few times to see if code
would reset. It didn't.
I pulled the timing belt cover back enough to see that the belt was
not broken but does have a lot of small cracks and should be replaced.
I would like to find the root cause of the problem.
My question is if the belt jumped enough teeth to kill the engine,
could the P0341 code have been set because of it? I did not see the
"check engine" light before it died.
Will a camshaft sensor problem cause a no spark condition?
I didn't yet perform all of the tests outlined by Bentley but i do
have battery voltage at the coil.
Thanks for any help.
Rich

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Default Re: 96 jetta no start - 04-28-2007 , 08:15 AM






I vote timing belt!
If some teeth broke then the timing would change which could throw the
camshaft sensor code and your engine will possibly die and not restart.
The camshaft sensor on your 2.0 engine is the hall sensor inside of the
distributor and should not stop your engine from running. If the
distributor shifts a little out of time, due to a tooth change, then the ECM
will notice that and throw a code.
That makes sense to me!

You need to check the timing belt alignment first.
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dave
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"rg" <rgrunza (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote

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I have a 96 Jetta GL III 2.0 ABA engine auto trans.
Drove 1 block from home yesterday and it just died.
Pushed it home and it sits in the driveway. Do not have any spark.
Changed coil, dist cap, rotor and plug wires with known good ones.
Put the code reader on and had P341 -camshaft sensor code set.
Cleared the code and cranked the engine a few times to see if code
would reset. It didn't.
I pulled the timing belt cover back enough to see that the belt was
not broken but does have a lot of small cracks and should be replaced.
I would like to find the root cause of the problem.
My question is if the belt jumped enough teeth to kill the engine,
could the P0341 code have been set because of it? I did not see the
"check engine" light before it died.
Will a camshaft sensor problem cause a no spark condition?
I didn't yet perform all of the tests outlined by Bentley but i do
have battery voltage at the coil.
Thanks for any help.
Rich



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Default Re: 96 jetta no start - 04-29-2007 , 12:29 PM



I won't be able to work on it for a couple of days but when I do I'll
let the group know what I find.
Thanks for the imput Dave.
I'm still curious why I don't have spark.
Maybe the crankshaft sensor shut it down if the timing jumped?
Rich

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:15:11 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

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I vote timing belt!
If some teeth broke then the timing would change which could throw the
camshaft sensor code and your engine will possibly die and not restart.
The camshaft sensor on your 2.0 engine is the hall sensor inside of the
distributor and should not stop your engine from running. If the
distributor shifts a little out of time, due to a tooth change, then the ECM
will notice that and throw a code.
That makes sense to me!

You need to check the timing belt alignment first.


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Default Re: 96 jetta no start - 05-01-2007 , 06:48 AM



The spark is basically "triggered" by the crank position sensor (engine
speed sensor) and if it goes bad you probably will get no spark.
If the ign. coil goes bad you probably will get no spark.
If the ign switch goes bad you could possibly get no spark.
I have not checked the spark after a 2.0l engine breaks its belt. :-(
If the timing belt breaks then the engine usually has a different sound
while you crank it over.

Where/how did you test the spark?
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"rg" <rgrunza (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote

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I won't be able to work on it for a couple of days but when I do I'll
let the group know what I find.
Thanks for the imput Dave.
I'm still curious why I don't have spark.
Maybe the crankshaft sensor shut it down if the timing jumped?
Rich

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007 13:15:11 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I vote timing belt!
If some teeth broke then the timing would change which could throw the
camshaft sensor code and your engine will possibly die and not restart.
The camshaft sensor on your 2.0 engine is the hall sensor inside of the
distributor and should not stop your engine from running. If the
distributor shifts a little out of time, due to a tooth change, then the
ECM
will notice that and throw a code.
That makes sense to me!

You need to check the timing belt alignment first.




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Default Re: 96 jetta no start - 05-03-2007 , 12:57 AM



The problem was the timing belt. I've been working on cars for about
40 years so I'm ashamed to admit that when I first had the dist cap
off I didn't turn the engine to see if the rotor was moving. The belt
wasn't broken but all of the ribs around the crank pully were gone so
the cam or dist gears wern't moving hence no spark . Put the new belt
and tensioner on and it fired right up. Running smooth so hopefully no
bent valves. Once again thanks for the advice.

On Tue, 01 May 2007 11:48:01 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
The spark is basically "triggered" by the crank position sensor (engine
speed sensor) and if it goes bad you probably will get no spark.
If the ign. coil goes bad you probably will get no spark.
If the ign switch goes bad you could possibly get no spark.
I have not checked the spark after a 2.0l engine breaks its belt. :-(
If the timing belt breaks then the engine usually has a different sound
while you crank it over.

Where/how did you test the spark?


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Default Re: 96 jetta no start - 05-03-2007 , 07:20 AM



congrats!
be proud that YOU found that problem! ;-)

I had a timing belt on an Audi 5000 that had not broken and all of the teeth
were present. The engine would start sometimes and then would sound like
the timing belt was gone, and then start again. The teeth were compressing
like they were hollow on the inside. A new belt and all was right, but I
learned a lesson there about the timing belts..................best to
change them when in doubt!
Also had another vehicle 1992 Jetta 8v reman engine that would start
sometimes and then sound like the timing belt went. Let it sit for 15
minutes and it would start and die again. It was the oil pump with so much
pressure that it caused the lifters to pump up and keep the valves open.
THAT one was a challenge that another shop couldn't handle!

I am constantly learning! <g>
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"rg" <rgrunza (AT) adelphia (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
The problem was the timing belt. I've been working on cars for about
40 years so I'm ashamed to admit that when I first had the dist cap
off I didn't turn the engine to see if the rotor was moving. The belt
wasn't broken but all of the ribs around the crank pully were gone so
the cam or dist gears wern't moving hence no spark . Put the new belt
and tensioner on and it fired right up. Running smooth so hopefully no
bent valves. Once again thanks for the advice.

On Tue, 01 May 2007 11:48:01 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

The spark is basically "triggered" by the crank position sensor (engine
speed sensor) and if it goes bad you probably will get no spark.
If the ign. coil goes bad you probably will get no spark.
If the ign switch goes bad you could possibly get no spark.
I have not checked the spark after a 2.0l engine breaks its belt. :-(
If the timing belt breaks then the engine usually has a different sound
while you crank it over.

Where/how did you test the spark?




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