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Default Re: ac bolt on '96 passat VR6 - 03-19-2007 , 09:05 PM






samstone (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

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Just from the discription from your bentley quote, my > guess < is :
There are bushings in the compressor on the side away from the nuts,
that is hammered out by having the bolt in place with just the nut loosened
by a few threads then tapping the nut towards the bolt end.
Then with that bushing popped out you'll have enough sideways movement
to get the bushing and the bolt out all the way.
( IF ) the bolts you've tried to remove have threads all the way to the head
( non shouldered) my thoughts would be that is the case.
Would you mind telling us why you want want the a/c comp. off?

Seized cam. I'm removing the engine. The hoses for the AC are looped
through the frame, so I need to get the compressor separated from the
engine in order to get the engine out. The alternative would be to open
the AC lines and I have enough headaches as it is <g>. I can see no
bushings and there are none in the cruddy diagram in Bentley. The bolts
are only threaded on the last inch or so.

I'm just going to lift the engine a few inches once it's ready to come
out and then slide the bolt out when it clears. Then I can set the
compressor out of the way and ease the engine forward and up.

Still, what if you had to just replace the AC compressor? Crazy.


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Default Re: ac bolt on '96 passat VR6 - 03-19-2007 , 09:47 PM






So the bolts did not push their nuts back through the other side of the a/c
compressor bracket like Bentley states?
Did you try to push on the bolts while they were only slightly loose from
their nuts? Might need a little more force or pressure on them.
It will probably become clearer AFTER you have them out! ;-)

You can also join this Passats group
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/passats/join

good luck!
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)

"starburst" <nope (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote


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Seized cam. I'm removing the engine. The hoses for the AC are looped
through the frame, so I need to get the compressor separated from the
engine in order to get the engine out. The alternative would be to open
the AC lines and I have enough headaches as it is <g>. I can see no
bushings and there are none in the cruddy diagram in Bentley. The bolts
are only threaded on the last inch or so.

I'm just going to lift the engine a few inches once it's ready to come out
and then slide the bolt out when it clears. Then I can set the compressor
out of the way and ease the engine forward and up.

Still, what if you had to just replace the AC compressor? Crazy.



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Default Re: ac bolt on '96 passat VR6 - 03-20-2007 , 02:51 AM



It means loosen the bolt so there's a space under the head. 10 threads. hit
the bolt head with a hammer until it bottoms out. The sleeve has now been
moved the distance of 10 threads. this will allow you to get the bolt off.
Do it until there's enough space to remove the bolts. Don't take the bolts
and hammer it out or you will buggar up the threads. Apparently you don't
read mechanic.
"dave AKA vwdoc1" <vwdoc1 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

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Oh no I think you need to remove almost the front of the vehicle, bumper,
a/c condensor, radiator in order to remove the a/c compressor. So it is
not a small job here.

YES Bentley is NOT user-friendly!! If there is something better let us
know! ;-)
Bentley Official Factory Repair Manual info might be different than their
Service Repair Manual, but I doubt if it is any easier with the Service
Manual instead of the Factory Manual.
Haynes is much better reading most of the time, but it goes into too much
generic information along with pictures of Nissans or Chevys. lol

"starburst" <nope (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote in message
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dave AKA vwdoc1 wrote:
The Bentley CD just says very little about them!

Loosen hex bolts a couple of turns and knock-back threaded sleeves from
compressor. Then remove hex bolts.

You had to go through a lot to take off the a/c compressor according to
them. :-(

Good luck,
dave
(One out of many daves)



Just to vent a very little, for a book that cost more than a hundred and
takes two thick volumes, the Bentley for the 95-97 Passats really stinks.
Impossible to find things, no internal logic that I can see, poorly
cross-referenced, no index. A few decent diagrams, but a lot that aren't
detailed enough. No photos.

Typical for this volume: on the page for the AC compressor (V87-50), it
says "loosen hex nuts -10- a couple of turns and knock back threaded
sleeves from compressor, then remove hex bolts." What the heck does
"knock back threaded sleeves" mean?

Still, I must be missing something here, because I can't believe that you
have to lift the engine off of its mounts just to remove the AC
compressor. Maybe you have to remove the alternator first and then the
bracket? I don't know. But Bentley on this is pretty worthless.

Thanks - Chris





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Default Re: ac bolt on '96 passat VR6 - 03-20-2007 , 07:01 AM



On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:05:56 -0500, starburst <nope (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote:
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Seized cam. I'm removing the engine.
Thanks , I now recall (somewhat) your posts when troubleshooting the failure
to begin with. Replacing an engine is involved on even the simplest cars.
I understand why you don't want to have a/c charge / cost / time in addition
to what you already have.
I make notes as I disassemble things, then use these notes to aid in getting it
back together again. Kinda like a flow chart with notes to do this before doing
that or point out to myself to remember to get that little seal / o-ring / whatever.
Dave the vw doc knows what he's doing and I'd heed his advice almost w/o
question. Sometimes what looks to be the long way around is actually the
shorter coarse and the ones that have - been there and done that - should be
listened to for smoother sailing. Good luck.


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Default Re: ac bolt on '96 passat VR6 - 03-20-2007 , 07:05 PM



uhhh not me! Never changed the VR6 engine! lol
Although I think I would like a chance at removing one, rebuilding it and
then making sure it works well in a future Passat. ;-)
I agree with you about not opening up the a/c system! Not if you can avoid
it!

Samstone has the proper way of taking things apart so you can easily
reassemble it. Notes, Pictures, Plastic Bags with notes for your little
pieces are WAAAAYYY better than quickly removing nuts bolts and throwing
them all together in a bucket! lol Nightmare to put things back again
unless you KNOW what goes where.
Hey then you can do a write-up to help all of us! <g>

Other devices such as old muffin pans, egg cartons are other means of
keeping parts separate. Even duct tape will work.

Books and your common sense plays a big role in carefully repairing
vehicles. Read the books to try to understand what you will come up
against. Bentley is not too user friendly so buy a cheap Haynes or other
for a different perspective. ;-)
Common sense comes in to play when you try to understand what the book says
as you look at those a/c compressor bolts that seem like they just don't
have enough room to come out. ;-)

JMHO
--
later,
dave
(One out of many daves)


<samstone (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 21:05:56 -0500, starburst <nope (AT) nospam (DOT) net> wrote:
Seized cam. I'm removing the engine.
Thanks , I now recall (somewhat) your posts when troubleshooting the
failure
to begin with. Replacing an engine is involved on even the simplest cars.
I understand why you don't want to have a/c charge / cost / time in
addition
to what you already have.
I make notes as I disassemble things, then use these notes to aid in
getting it
back together again. Kinda like a flow chart with notes to do this before
doing
that or point out to myself to remember to get that little seal / o-ring /
whatever.
Dave the vw doc knows what he's doing and I'd heed his advice almost w/o
question. Sometimes what looks to be the long way around is actually the
shorter coarse and the ones that have - been there and done that - should
be
listened to for smoother sailing. Good luck.



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