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Default Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 02:16 PM






Hello NG!
I have found a Golf TDI on a auctionsite i maybe will bid on. The engine is
broken. The cambelt broke during driving.
My question is:
Is it likely or unlikely that other things then then valve are bend with
this failure?

Greetings from Denmark.... Michael



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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 02:52 PM






On Mar 22, 3:16 pm, "DerGolf" <nos... (AT) dbmail (DOT) dk> wrote:
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Hello NG!
I have found a Golf TDI on a auctionsite i maybe will bid on. The engine is
broken. The cambelt broke during driving.
My question is:
Is it likely or unlikely that other things then then valve are bend with
this failure?

Greetings from Denmark.... Michael
OK.... How great a need do you have to gamble? Keep a couple of things
in mind as you ponder:

a) the Timing Belt (cam belt) is a maintenance Item that should never
have broken. What other elements have been treated similarly to this
belt that will eventually turn around and bite you?
b) At the least, you will need a new head based on several bent valves
and possible damage to the cam lobes. So, start with at least that
expectation in your budget.
c) It is certainly possible that more than just valve damage was done
with potential damage to the pistons being one thing. That is
something of a crap-shoot (gambling term).

Diesel engines are quite rugged and take a lot of abuse. But they are
also pretty dependent on a minimum degree of operational integrity. Is
there any way you can investigate the actual damage any further before
you bid?

Best of luck in any case!

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA



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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 03:20 PM



Quote:
a) the Timing Belt (cam belt) is a maintenance Item that should never
have broken.
True, in a perfect world. However, compare VW's recommended replacement
interval with the mileages at which they typically break. Also,
consider how hard it is to visually determine that they are about to
break. A lot of well-meaning owners, who maintain according to the
manual, have suffered the timing-belt break. It's not automatically a
sign of abuse.


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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 05:08 PM




"Brian Running" <brunning (AT) XXameritechXX (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
a) the Timing Belt (cam belt) is a maintenance Item that should never
have broken.

True, in a perfect world. However, compare VW's recommended replacement
interval with the mileages at which they typically break. Also, consider
how hard it is to visually determine that they are about to break. A lot
of well-meaning owners, who maintain according to the manual, have
suffered the timing-belt break. It's not automatically a sign of abuse.
If the timing belt is broken . It has valve damage or piston damage.
The valves and pistons occupy the same space at different times. There is
no way to tell how bad it is until you take the head off. Valves bent
would be the the minimum damage. Holes in pistons , broken head bolts ,
cracked heads, or block bolt holes, and other things would be the max. It
is not uncommon to trash an engine completely on a diesel when the timing
belt breaks. The owner decided to sell it instead of fixing it. That
should tell you something. If it was mine to gamble on.and I wanted to
keep it. I,d plan on getting a rebuilt head and whatever pistons are
needed. And check out the rod and main bearings , and head bolt holes,
while it was apart. Depends on the mileage. I,d be reassembling it to get
another 100,000 miles out of it at least. Keep in mind anywhere along the
line, it could become junk yard material. For instance if he block head
bolt holes are cracked. Good Luck.



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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 07:11 PM



Quote:
a) the Timing Belt (cam belt) is a maintenance Item that should never
have broken.

True, in a perfect world. However, compare VW's recommended replacement
interval with the mileages at which they typically break. Also,
consider how hard it is to visually determine that they are about to
break. A lot of well-meaning owners, who maintain according to the
manual, have suffered the timing-belt break. It's not automatically a
sign of abuse.
I looked in my maintenance manual (VW Golf 1998) and it made no mention of
changing the timing belt - said only on Golf TDI. I'm not sure VW's
instructions on this maintenance are very clear at all.

--
Jem Berkes
www.sysdesign.ca


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Lost In Space/Woodchuck
 
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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 08:14 PM



If lucky, only head and related parts. Not so lucky, piston damage if valves
got turned and stuck into piston surface. Very not so lucky... bents rods.


"DerGolf" <nospam (AT) dbmail (DOT) dk> wrote

Quote:
Hello NG!
I have found a Golf TDI on a auctionsite i maybe will bid on. The engine
is broken. The cambelt broke during driving.
My question is:
Is it likely or unlikely that other things then then valve are bend with
this failure?

Greetings from Denmark.... Michael




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Matt B.
 
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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-22-2007 , 11:38 PM



"DerGolf" <nospam (AT) dbmail (DOT) dk> wrote

Quote:
Hello NG!
I have found a Golf TDI on a auctionsite i maybe will bid on. The engine
is broken. The cambelt broke during driving.
My question is:
Is it likely or unlikely that other things then then valve are bend with
this failure?

Greetings from Denmark.... Michael
A diesel will almost certainly bend valves since it is a very high
compression engine.




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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-23-2007 , 01:22 AM




"Jem Berkes" <jb (AT) users (DOT) pc9.org> wrote

Quote:
a) the Timing Belt (cam belt) is a maintenance Item that should never
have broken.

True, in a perfect world. However, compare VW's recommended replacement
interval with the mileages at which they typically break. Also,
consider how hard it is to visually determine that they are about to
break. A lot of well-meaning owners, who maintain according to the
manual, have suffered the timing-belt break. It's not automatically a
sign of abuse.

I looked in my maintenance manual (VW Golf 1998) and it made no mention of
changing the timing belt - said only on Golf TDI. I'm not sure VW's
instructions on this maintenance are very clear at all.

--
Jem Berkes
www.sysdesign.ca
We are talking about a Golf TDI...



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Default Re: Golf 1.9 TDI 1997 lost the cambelt - 03-23-2007 , 06:50 AM



On Mar 22, 8:11 pm, Jem Berkes <j... (AT) users (DOT) pc9.org> wrote:
Quote:
a) the Timing Belt (cam belt) is a maintenance Item that should never
have broken.

True, in a perfect world. However, compare VW's recommended replacement
interval with the mileages at which they typically break. Also,
consider how hard it is to visually determine that they are about to
break. A lot of well-meaning owners, who maintain according to the
manual, have suffered the timing-belt break. It's not automatically a
sign of abuse.

I looked in my maintenance manual (VW Golf 1998) and it made no mention of
changing the timing belt - said only on Golf TDI. I'm not sure VW's
instructions on this maintenance are very clear at all.

--
Jem Berkeswww.sysdesign.ca
If you have a VR6, there is no timing belt.

The vehicle in question is a TDI.

Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA



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