High Oil Temperature-A2

#11

Biz wrote:

Quote:

My 85 GTI only hits 180's F if I push it....I have no idea how you can get
one up to 230F let alone 280F...

Think I can keep up with this:
147°C/297F after keeping it floored for just 20minutes - and at just
5°C/41F outside temperature. That was on my 85 Jetta TD, measured with a
thermocouple stuck through the dipstick funnel into the oil pan.
After this experience I backed off a bit until I had a "real" oil cooler
(read: radiator) on it.

Ingo

#12

A good friend and former owner of an '86 Jetta GLi told me that many
A2's had the wrong oil temperature sensor installed from the factory.
These would read much lower than true oil temperature. My brother ('87
GTi) seldom sees more than 170°F for oil temperature on his MFA, but it
can't be correct. If the oil really was that "cool", the oil cooler
would be *heating* the oil when the engine is warm enough to turn on the
radiator fan.

I'm guessing that if you only see 180°F, you too probably have the wrong
temp sensor.

Biz wrote:

Quote:

My 85 GTI only hits 180's F if I push it....I have no idea how you can get
one up to 230F let alone 280F...
"Rick De Visser" <devisser (AT) sympatico (DOT) ca> wrote in message
news:mRmvc.22631$Hn.815495 (AT) news20 (DOT) bellglobal.com...
I had an 86 GLI (with oil cooler and MFA). I don't remember the numbers,
but
I do remember that when I pushed the car hard the oil temp went up
considerably without the coolant showing much rise (but 280 does seem
high).
I do miss that car <sniff>.

"Wayne Faas" <wfaasNOSPAM (AT) mchsi (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:BCE29DFB.5897%wfaasNOSPAM (AT) mchsi (DOT) com...
Thanks to everyone for their input. The 85 Jetta GLI does have a
multi-function display and the vacuum triggered up/downshift indicators.
However, I can't swear the instrument panel is 100% like the one
pictured.
By the way, the odometer is still working at 161,000 miles. Also have
an
87
16V GTI with 224,00 miles on a working odometer, but I may have fixed
the
split hub on the odometer gear.

The oil and filter was changed on Monday after the car was home this
past
weekend after being driven for 8 hours on Sunday. At 4,000 miles, the
oil
looked normal and partially clear. Monday afternoon, the Jetta was
driven
for 4 hours at interstate speeds and only for the last hour did the oil
temperature begin to increase above the 230F range to 280F. I have asked
the
owner to notice the outside temperature gauge when the oil temperature
starts to spike, but it will be 3 weeks before the car is driven for
more
than a 1/2 hour at one time.

Regards,
Wayne

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Biz
at
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"Biz" <biznospam (AT) att (DOT) net> wrote in message
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It would be a big pain. I believe in your model that the shift
indicator
is
above the row of 'idiot' lights", and below the idiot lights is the
water
temp gauge? Well, its where the water temp gauge is at, since in the
GTI/GLI models the tach has a water temp gauge in the bottom of it.
I'm
pretty sure you would need the entire instrument panel, plus the
sending
units, plus a new turn signal stalk, since the end of the stalk has
teh
mfa
button plus a slider to reset and switch between the display modes.

My bad, of course its the windshield wiper stalk, and NOT the turn
signal
stalk like I erroneously posted b4.

#13

"Ingo Braune" <ingo.braune (AT) web (DOT) de> wrote

Quote:

Biz wrote:
My 85 GTI only hits 180's F if I push it....I have no idea how you can
get
one up to 230F let alone 280F...

Think I can keep up with this:
147°C/297F after keeping it floored for just 20minutes - and at just
5°C/41F outside temperature. That was on my 85 Jetta TD, measured with a
thermocouple stuck through the dipstick funnel into the oil pan.
After this experience I backed off a bit until I had a "real" oil cooler
(read: radiator) on it.

Ingo

Floored in my GTI would be about 115mph, which is not really obtainable
anywhere in the US without severe implications if caught

#14

Biz wrote:

Quote:

Floored in my GTI would be about 115mph, which is not really obtainable
anywhere in the US without severe implications if caught

Well, in my TD it's just about 100mph which is frequently obtainable
over here were there are stretches of road with no speed limit. And to
tell you the truth, it is even obtainable were there _is_ a speed limit,
didn't have had any severe implications yet - apart from being on the
4th engine with my 85. But then again two of these were before the oil
cooler. And then one factory rebuilt one did just make a short visit in
my engine bay for the 8000km. The shop took this long to recognize they
could not really figure out the oil leak at the main bearing. Two new
clutch assemblies in just 8000km, and still always a tendency to slipping...

Ingo

#15

"Biz" <biznospam (AT) notatt (DOT) net> writes:

Quote:

My 85 GTI only hits 180's F if I push it....I have no idea how you can get
one up to 230F let alone 280F...

Try it without an oil cooler (heat exchanger at the filter flange).

I've seen 150 degrees C (over 300 in quaint measure) indicated on
mine; which is prime motivation for using fully-synthetic oil.
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#16

"Bernd Felsche" <bernie (AT) innovative (DOT) iinet.net.au> wrote

Quote:

"Biz" <biznospam (AT) notatt (DOT) net> writes:

My 85 GTI only hits 180's F if I push it....I have no idea how you can
get
one up to 230F let alone 280F...

Try it without an oil cooler (heat exchanger at the filter flange).

OK, why would I take the oil cooler off?

Quote:

I've seen 150 degrees C (over 300 in quaint measure) indicated on
mine; which is prime motivation for using fully-synthetic oil.

I do use full-synthetic, have since about 1990 in that car..

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#17

Peter Parker wrote:

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In article <40BE48AD.3040604 (AT) web (DOT) de>, Ingo Braune <ingo.braune (AT) web (DOT) de> wrote:

Biz wrote:

Floored in my GTI would be about 115mph, which is not really obtainable
anywhere in the US without severe implications if caught

Well, in my TD it's just about 100mph which is frequently obtainable
over here were there are stretches of road with no speed limit. And to
tell you the truth, it is even obtainable were there _is_ a speed limit,
didn't have had any severe implications yet - apart from being on the
4th engine with my 85. But then again two of these were before the oil
cooler. And then one factory rebuilt one did just make a short visit in
my engine bay for the 8000km. The shop took this long to recognize they
could not really figure out the oil leak at the main bearing. Two new
clutch assemblies in just 8000km, and still always a tendency to slipping...

You still have this vehicle?

Of course. I'm at 440 000km at the moment.

Quote:

What oil cooler did you use? One that fits
with an adapter onto the oil filter?

I used an generic oil cooler and the adapter on the block (with built in
thermostate) from an A1 GTI plus new hoses - the ones from the A1 were
to short to get around the wide diesel radiator.
The adapter from the A1 GTI is a direct replacement for the oil filter
flange on 827 blocks. Adapter is discontinued from VW and used ones are
rather pricey over here, but the stack of the large diesel oil filter,
an aftermarket sandwich-adapter for the hoses and the facotry
oil-to-water-cooler would be to high under the stock filter flange on my
diesel and the filter would hit the cross-member.

Ingo

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