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manapy
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 03-31-2004 , 08:10 PM






you'll be fine.

Wyley Ingeus wrote:

Quote:
My wife and I are getting closer to our purchase, thanks in part to the
helpful people here and in some of the web-forums. We're leaning towards a
2004 TDI with the 5-speed manual transmission.

As we discuss our potential pending purchase with friends and family
members, one person mentioned that we need to investigate "diesel
poisoning" because she knew someone that was apparently poisoned by some
sort of leak in this person's Jetta a number of years ago. A quick google
on "diesel poisoning" does list a few symptoms and such, but I haven't been
able to find many details. While I find this a bit difficult to understand
how exactly this happened, it's worth asking the question: Is this a
potential problem with these cars?

While we're at it, apparently diesel exhaust is very carcinogenic, and will
also exacerbate asthma. We have young children and certainly don't want
them exposed to anything potentially harmful. It would seem to me that our
governments wouldn't allow the sale of diesel passenger cars at all if this
was an issue. Any thoughts or concerns with this?

Cheers,
Wyley



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Douglas k Brown
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-01-2004 , 12:39 PM






The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) has commissioned/written a
report covering many of the issues in this thread.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307

doug


Wyley Ingeus <notthe (AT) ctualaddress (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
My wife and I are getting closer to our purchase, thanks in part to the
helpful people here and in some of the web-forums. We're leaning towards a
2004 TDI with the 5-speed manual transmission.

As we discuss our potential pending purchase with friends and family
members, one person mentioned that we need to investigate "diesel
poisoning" because she knew someone that was apparently poisoned by some
sort of leak in this person's Jetta a number of years ago. A quick google
on "diesel poisoning" does list a few symptoms and such, but I haven't been
able to find many details. While I find this a bit difficult to understand
how exactly this happened, it's worth asking the question: Is this a
potential problem with these cars?

While we're at it, apparently diesel exhaust is very carcinogenic, and will
also exacerbate asthma. We have young children and certainly don't want
them exposed to anything potentially harmful. It would seem to me that our
governments wouldn't allow the sale of diesel passenger cars at all if this
was an issue. Any thoughts or concerns with this?

Cheers,
Wyley

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jimbehning@doesthisblockporkmindspring.com
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-01-2004 , 11:40 PM



Interesting article. I think the number 2 killer in the USA is fat.
Sendentary lifestyles makes for more deaths than current tailpipe
emissions but cleaning up the air is a good thing anyway. How do we
get parents to get off their fat butts and go out and play with their
kids? How do we get folks to spend less time in newsgroups and out
exercising, doing yardwork, or doing anything that does not involve a
crt, lcd or led? One article suggest 400,000 deaths due to poor diet
and lack of physical activity. Number 2 killer and you worry about
handguns in the hands of thugs.

http://www.rocheuk.com/html/health/WeightManagement.asp
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994763

rhwyd (AT) storm (DOT) ca (Douglas k Brown) wrote:

Quote:
The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) has commissioned/written a
report covering many of the issues in this thread.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307

doug


Wyley Ingeus <notthe (AT) ctualaddress (DOT) com> wrote

My wife and I are getting closer to our purchase, thanks in part to the
helpful people here and in some of the web-forums. We're leaning towards a
2004 TDI with the 5-speed manual transmission.

As we discuss our potential pending purchase with friends and family
members, one person mentioned that we need to investigate "diesel
poisoning" because she knew someone that was apparently poisoned by some
sort of leak in this person's Jetta a number of years ago. A quick google
on "diesel poisoning" does list a few symptoms and such, but I haven't been
able to find many details. While I find this a bit difficult to understand
how exactly this happened, it's worth asking the question: Is this a
potential problem with these cars?

While we're at it, apparently diesel exhaust is very carcinogenic, and will
also exacerbate asthma. We have young children and certainly don't want
them exposed to anything potentially harmful. It would seem to me that our
governments wouldn't allow the sale of diesel passenger cars at all if this
was an issue. Any thoughts or concerns with this?

Cheers,
Wyley

Jim B.


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verndog
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-02-2004 , 12:53 AM



I have asthma and find the diesel fumes are a little more of a nuisance. But
I choose diesel. I also concur that the fumes are more likely to cause
cancer then gas fumes , but I still choose diesel. The governments job is to
make money , collect taxes, support the rest of the world, and help foreign
business take over America. Not protect its citizens.And to protect us from
each other .Not protect you from yourself. There's more air quality issues
in your house then in a VOW diesel tooling down the road. If you have
asthma, choose or not. 80 percent of cancer comes from the
environment,including your work environment. 15 percent from our food and
water, and 5 percent from all others. 1 percent comes from prescription
long-term medications. But its a cash cow, so it is what it is. which is
included in others. Get real, quit expecting the government to do anything,
but make money. Take care of yourself. those who do more for themselves ,
prosper.
<jimbehning (AT) doesthisblockporkmindspring (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Interesting article. I think the number 2 killer in the USA is fat.
Sendentary lifestyles makes for more deaths than current tailpipe
emissions but cleaning up the air is a good thing anyway. How do we
get parents to get off their fat butts and go out and play with their
kids? How do we get folks to spend less time in newsgroups and out
exercising, doing yardwork, or doing anything that does not involve a
crt, lcd or led? One article suggest 400,000 deaths due to poor diet
and lack of physical activity. Number 2 killer and you worry about
handguns in the hands of thugs.

http://www.rocheuk.com/html/health/WeightManagement.asp
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994763

rhwyd (AT) storm (DOT) ca (Douglas k Brown) wrote:

The Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) has commissioned/written a
report covering many of the issues in this thread.

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_vehicles...fm?pageID=1307

doug


Wyley Ingeus <notthe (AT) ctualaddress (DOT) com> wrote

My wife and I are getting closer to our purchase, thanks in part to the
helpful people here and in some of the web-forums. We're leaning
towards a
2004 TDI with the 5-speed manual transmission.

As we discuss our potential pending purchase with friends and family
members, one person mentioned that we need to investigate "diesel
poisoning" because she knew someone that was apparently poisoned by
some
sort of leak in this person's Jetta a number of years ago. A quick
google
on "diesel poisoning" does list a few symptoms and such, but I haven't
been
able to find many details. While I find this a bit difficult to
understand
how exactly this happened, it's worth asking the question: Is this a
potential problem with these cars?

While we're at it, apparently diesel exhaust is very carcinogenic, and
will
also exacerbate asthma. We have young children and certainly don't want
them exposed to anything potentially harmful. It would seem to me that
our
governments wouldn't allow the sale of diesel passenger cars at all if
this
was an issue. Any thoughts or concerns with this?

Cheers,
Wyley


Jim B.



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Spanky
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-02-2004 , 11:11 PM




"verndog" <fckoff (AT) nospamazzholeCo (DOT) net> wrote


Quote:
I have asthma and find the diesel fumes are a little more of a nuisance.
But
I choose diesel. I also concur that the fumes are more likely to cause
cancer then gas fumes , but I still choose diesel.
Who do you concur with? Gasoline exhaust is more cancerous than TDI diesel
exhaust.

Spanky




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Derek Wealleans
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-05-2004 , 01:07 PM



Car diesels are generally cleaner than gasoline, but diesels give out
particulates of the PM 10 range (like industrial and house heating units).
All other emissions of diesels are less than cars - HC, Nitrous oxides
(over the lifetime of the car), Benzines (nil but plenty from gasoline, and
this is very, very carcinogenic), and almost nil CO.

BUT, all cars ingest particulate matter, heat it up into glassy particles
and blow it out. Gasoline cars also give out PM 10's and deep lung tissue
takes them up and can't cough them out.

Buy diesel, if it's low sulphur, they are safer.

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"Ken Sternberg" <ksternberg1 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I own a 2001 Golf 5-speed TDI. If I'm standing still and idling with a
window open, I occasionally get some exhaust fumes in the passenger
compartment. I guess if I rolled a couple of windowns down all the way
this would be minimized. I've never been poisoned by my car, though.
Any excessive fumes would signal a leak of some kind.

Seems to me that gasoline fumes are equally bad, as well as
carcinogenic. TDIs are great engines, but you trade one set of
negative emissions for another, compared with gasoline engines.

I recommend TDIs very highly, especially with fuel prices about to go
into the stratosphere.



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Mike Smith
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-05-2004 , 02:18 PM



Derek Wealleans wrote:
Quote:
Buy diesel, if it's low sulphur, they are safer.
If the OP lives in North America, "low sulfur" is not an option.

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Derek Wealleans
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-05-2004 , 03:52 PM



It is said with exaggeration, that the new diesels with cat and traps
burning low sulfur bio-diesel, drive thru' polluted towns, and what comes
out the pipe is cleaner than what went in the front. I should have said
that gasoline engines pour out PM of 5 microns and smaller which are worse
for the lungs than PM's 5-10. All in all, it is a no win situation for you
might be "clean" but your lungs take in other people's air.

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"Mike Smith" <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith (AT) acm (DOT) DOT.org> wrote

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Derek Wealleans wrote:

Buy diesel, if it's low sulphur, they are safer.

If the OP lives in North America, "low sulfur" is not an option.

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Mike Smith




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Wyley Ingeus
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-05-2004 , 04:51 PM



Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith (AT) acm (DOT) DOT.org> wrote in
news:10738nksq5mgre0 (AT) news (DOT) supernews.com:

Quote:
Derek Wealleans wrote:

Buy diesel, if it's low sulphur, they are safer.

If the OP lives in North America, "low sulfur" is not an option.
I (the OP) live in Canada.

I just talked to someone from Transport Canada that tells me that we'll
have nothing but low-sulfur diesel by 2006 here. I assume that's a good
thing for health reasons.

Cheers,
Wyley



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Mike Smith
 
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Default Re: diesel poisoning??? - 04-05-2004 , 05:08 PM



Wyley Ingeus wrote:

Quote:
Mike Smith <mike_UNDERSCORE_smith (AT) acm (DOT) DOT.org> wrote in
news:10738nksq5mgre0 (AT) news (DOT) supernews.com:


Derek Wealleans wrote:

Buy diesel, if it's low sulphur, they are safer.

If the OP lives in North America, "low sulfur" is not an option.


I (the OP) live in Canada.

I just talked to someone from Transport Canada that tells me that we'll
have nothing but low-sulfur diesel by 2006 here.
Great. Let me know when it's 2006. Until then, there is no diesel in
NA (at least AFAIK) that is as clean as what they get in Europe.

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Mike Smith



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