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Default VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 10-25-2006 , 07:55 PM






Shifting prob...

Lately I have alot of trouble getting into 2nd and 4 th gears and have
to jiggle the shifter to get it to "fit" ..

Starting prob...

I still can't start it in cold or wet weather and have burned out
several starters trying - yes io have changed the infamous cracked
coil - but the problem still exsits - i need to put it in the garage
in the winter if I hope to start it ok.

Some one said a tune up will solve the wet/damp starting problem, any
ideas ?

Any help on either matter would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 10-25-2006 , 11:14 PM






replies within.

"3d0g" <vw (AT) hell (DOT) com> wrote

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Shifting prob...

Lately I have alot of trouble getting into 2nd and 4 th gears and have
to jiggle the shifter to get it to "fit" ..
Check to make sure nothing has fallen on the transmission linkage.
I am ASSuME-ing that it is a 2.0L engine.

Quote:
Starting prob...

I still can't start it in cold or wet weather and have burned out
several starters trying - yes io have changed the infamous cracked
coil - but the problem still exsits - i need to put it in the garage
in the winter if I hope to start it ok.
Did you check for any DTCs? Maybe there are some stored faults that might
indicate a failing Engine Speed Sensor (AKA CPS or Impulse Sender/Sensor).
Or a bad Coolant Temperature Sensor.

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Some one said a tune up will solve the wet/damp starting problem, any
ideas ?
You still might need spark plugs, wires, distributor cap and rotor. PLEASE
only use a Bosch ign. rotor since I have seen problems with other brands.
BTW I have also had many aftermarket ign. coils fail as quickly as in 1
week's time. So I hope you only purchase a good ign. coil from the VW
dealer.

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Any help on either matter would be appreciated.

Thanks



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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 10-26-2006 , 05:16 AM



On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:14:35 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
<vwdoc1 (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:

Check to make sure nothing has fallen on the transmission linkage.
I am ASSuME-ing that it is a 2.0L engine.

Yes it is a 2.0 and now that you mention it the protective housing has
some tears here and there. Please excuse my ignorance but is this
something I can do myself, I'm pretty handy and would like to save
some money. I read somewhere that you can order a complete gear shift
repair kit (ball housing,ball,sleeve,rubber,stop washer,spacer
bushings and nuts) for $25 ! For now I'd like to take a look inside
the shifter housing and see if I could find anything obvious
obstruction or whatever - how should I proceed to dismantle it ?



Quote:
Did you check for any DTCs?
DTC's ? uh again forgive my ignorance.
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So I hope you only purchase a good ign. coil from the VW
dealer.
this came from the dealer

thanks for your help


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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 10-26-2006 , 07:43 AM



In article <4iu0k2tt96qor9lbue41q6h154dqksnafo (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, vw (AT) hell (DOT) com
says...
Quote:
Yes it is a 2.0 and now that you mention it the protective housing has
some tears here and there. Please excuse my ignorance but is this
something I can do myself, I'm pretty handy and would like to save
some money. I read somewhere that you can order a complete gear shift
repair kit (ball housing,ball,sleeve,rubber,stop washer,spacer
bushings and nuts) for $25 ! For now I'd like to take a look inside
the shifter housing and see if I could find anything obvious
obstruction or whatever - how should I proceed to dismantle it ?
At least on mine, all the worn parts were up front in the engine bay.
You do NOT want to mess with the stuff in the passenger compartment
unless you've got to. If I was reading the service manual correctly,
you have to drop tunnel under the car to get it all apart.

I think you're talking about the shifter 'boot' being torn. You can get
those nearly anywhere. Seems to be a mostly generic part. Get a
leather one instead of the rubber I guess if stuff had fallen into
the shifter well since the boot was gone, the crud could have worn that
ball down there...

The kit I got was from German Auto Parts. I'd go ahead and spring for
the full kit for $55 and replace anything you can get at.

http://www.germanautoparts.com/Volks...smission/186/3

BTW, the main part that was shot on mine was that shaft with a ball on
it. It was worn to nearly nothing. Also one of the orange bushings was
torn. Get a manual or take lots of pictures BEFORE taking it apart. If
you don't, getting it back together might be a challenge

Mark
'95 Jetta GLS


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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 10-26-2006 , 03:54 PM




"3d0g" <vw (AT) hell (DOT) com> wrote

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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 03:14:35 GMT, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
vwdoc1 (AT) ameritech (DOT) net> wrote:



Check to make sure nothing has fallen on the transmission linkage.
I am ASSuME-ing that it is a 2.0L engine.

Yes it is a 2.0 and now that you mention it the protective housing has
some tears here and there. Please excuse my ignorance but is this
something I can do myself, I'm pretty handy and would like to save
some money. I read somewhere that you can order a complete gear shift
repair kit (ball housing,ball,sleeve,rubber,stop washer,spacer
bushings and nuts) for $25 ! For now I'd like to take a look inside
the shifter housing and see if I could find anything obvious
obstruction or whatever - how should I proceed to dismantle it ?
Someone mentioned a kit. A repair manual should help, Bentley is preferred,
but sometimes Haynes might make certain repair jobs easier to understand
although it does not have as much info as the Bentley.
This site might help you out too! ;-)
http://faculty.ccp.edu/faculty/dreed...fter/index.htm


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Did you check for any DTCs?

DTC's ? uh again forgive my ignorance.
Sorry...........go here and it will give generic Diagnostic Trouble Codes
http://www.obdii.com/codes.html

You will need to find a place that can scan for any DTCs, autozone might do
it free, and then figure out what might be happening with your engine/car.

Quote:


So I hope you only purchase a good ign. coil from the VW
dealer.
this came from the dealer

thanks for your help



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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 10-29-2006 , 08:13 AM



In article <1kq5k2tm8717b5o9uga3sm9e8a2ip9qpij (AT) 4ax (DOT) com>, vw (AT) hell (DOT) com
says...
Quote:
Strange that you say most of the work is underneath, all the links I
looked at stated ALL the work is up top - including the Dieselgeek
site.
I depends on what you're needing to do. If you need to replace the
stuff that's basically in the console area, I couldn't figure out how to
get to it without doing lots of stuff under the car. If you need to
replace the bushings up near the tranny, most of it is from the top.
Just a minor amount under the car in that case.

I think you'd said you needed to replace the stuff near the stick shift.
That's the tough part. Up by the tranny is the 'easy' part.

Quote:
Did you chronicle your work (pics ,video steps ?) sorry not asking to
be spoon fed just trying to gather as much info as possible and sort
all this out in my head.
Nope. IIRC there was another post in this thread that had a link to a
pretty good site.

Mark
'95 Jetta GLS


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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 11-01-2006 , 12:31 AM



I'm not sure if this is a clue as to what might be wrong, but today I
went down a steep street and the shifting was alot silkier especially
4th.

Anyhow I'm going to get an estimate in two weeks and see what they
come up with.

Do they have to disclose which parts they'll change (man. parts #'s)
in the estimate by law ? (Canada here). CAuse I'm thinking I'll go to
a few dealers shops and see what they find in common - also weed out
the liars and gougers..hehe.


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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 11-01-2006 , 07:44 AM



fluid level problems?
scan for trans faults............maybe a sensor?

"3d0g" <vw (AT) hell (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
I'm not sure if this is a clue as to what might be wrong, but today I
went down a steep street and the shifting was alot silkier especially
4th.

Anyhow I'm going to get an estimate in two weeks and see what they
come up with.

Do they have to disclose which parts they'll change (man. parts #'s)
in the estimate by law ? (Canada here). CAuse I'm thinking I'll go to
a few dealers shops and see what they find in common - also weed out
the liars and gougers..hehe.




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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 11-01-2006 , 09:43 AM



In article <mE02h.24154$e66.11513 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com>, vwdoc1
@ameritech.net says...
Quote:
fluid level problems?
scan for trans faults............maybe a sensor?
In sensors in a manual tranny? Fluid levels, sure. It sure doesn't
sound like the problem I had, which was getting into 1st and 2nd. That
was mostly the pivot arm ball up in the engine bay being worn to nearly
nothing.

Adjustment maybe? Mounts shot? If the transaxle shifted on the mounts,
it could possible just come into adjustment enough to work?

Mark
'95 Jetta GLS


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Default Re: VW Golf '97 - Shifitng and Starting Problems - 11-01-2006 , 09:10 PM



oops sorry I thought this was an automatic. Thanks for correcting me Mark.
;-)
There should be a Vehicle Speed Sensor in the manual trans for that year
though,but that should not affect shifting. <g>

"Mark Randol" <mrandolmunged (AT) austin (DOT) rr.com> wrote

Quote:
In article <mE02h.24154$e66.11513 (AT) newssvr13 (DOT) news.prodigy.com>, vwdoc1
@ameritech.net says...
fluid level problems?
scan for trans faults............maybe a sensor?

In sensors in a manual tranny? Fluid levels, sure. It sure doesn't
sound like the problem I had, which was getting into 1st and 2nd. That
was mostly the pivot arm ball up in the engine bay being worn to nearly
nothing.

Adjustment maybe? Mounts shot? If the transaxle shifted on the mounts,
it could possible just come into adjustment enough to work?

Mark
'95 Jetta GLS



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