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Default Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 02:01 PM






This problem with my GTI is driving me CRAZY!!! I'll be driving along on the
highway, and the engine will suddenly and completely lose power. There is
absolutely no response from the accelerator. When I coast to a stop at the
side of the highway, the car returns to idle as if nothing happened. This
may happen again in a few minutes, hours, or days. It's completely
intermittent and can't be duplicated in my garage. I also note that the car
feels a bit sluggish, and tends to stall now and then when the clutch is
released at stop signs, etc.

I've also noticed that it seems to take longer than it used to for the car
to start, as if fuel pressure is taking more time to build up or system
pressure is not being maintained after stop. I just recently replaced the
fuel line to cylinder #1, and I was surprised that there was pretty much no
fuel pressure at the fuel distributor when I loosened the banjo bolt. The
car had been off overnight, but I still expected a little pressure.

This is what I've done so far so far:

- Checked for vacuum leaks, rips, tears in the intake; none found.
- Checked for fuel leaks; none found.
- New sparkplugs, wires, cap, rotor.
- New ignition switch.
- New fuel injectors/o-rings.
- New fuel pump relay.
- New fuel filter.
- Checked timing; okay.
- Almost new in-tank (transfer) fuel pump; no loud buzzing at main pump.

I really don't have the gauge and fittings required to check fuel pressure,
but since the problem is intermittent I'm not sure it would tell me
anything. The main pump is about 10 years old, so I'm going to go ahead and
replace it too. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm not sure what else to do!
What about the coil? HELP!

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Kent
1987 VW GTI 8V, original owner, 221,800+ miles



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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 03:26 PM






Kent wrote:
Quote:
This problem with my GTI is driving me CRAZY!!! I'll be driving along on the
highway, and the engine will suddenly and completely lose power. There is
absolutely no response from the accelerator. When I coast to a stop at the
side of the highway, the car returns to idle as if nothing happened. This
may happen again in a few minutes, hours, or days. It's completely
intermittent and can't be duplicated in my garage. I also note that the car
feels a bit sluggish, and tends to stall now and then when the clutch is
released at stop signs, etc.

I've also noticed that it seems to take longer than it used to for the car
to start, as if fuel pressure is taking more time to build up or system
pressure is not being maintained after stop. I just recently replaced the
fuel line to cylinder #1, and I was surprised that there was pretty much no
fuel pressure at the fuel distributor when I loosened the banjo bolt. The
car had been off overnight, but I still expected a little pressure.

This is what I've done so far so far:

- Checked for vacuum leaks, rips, tears in the intake; none found.
- Checked for fuel leaks; none found.
- New sparkplugs, wires, cap, rotor.
- New ignition switch.
- New fuel injectors/o-rings.
- New fuel pump relay.
- New fuel filter.
- Checked timing; okay.
- Almost new in-tank (transfer) fuel pump; no loud buzzing at main pump.

I really don't have the gauge and fittings required to check fuel pressure,
but since the problem is intermittent I'm not sure it would tell me
anything. The main pump is about 10 years old, so I'm going to go ahead and
replace it too. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm not sure what else to do!
What about the coil? HELP!

Since GTIs have been in production off and on for 22 years, with 4
generations, it would be useful to share the basics: Year model to start
with.

--
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Rex Burkheimer
WM Automotive
Fort Worth TX


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Kent
 
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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 03:49 PM



Quote:
Since GTIs have been in production off and on for 22 years, with 4
generations, it would be useful to share the basics: Year model to start
with.
Sorry, this information is usually included in my autosignature. Car is 1987
VW GTI 8V, Engine Code RD (CIS-E/KE-Jetronic).
--
Kent
1987 VW GTI 8V, original owner, 221,800+ miles


"Rex B" <rex (AT) inoli (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Kent wrote:
This problem with my GTI is driving me CRAZY!!! I'll be driving along on
the
highway, and the engine will suddenly and completely lose power. There
is
absolutely no response from the accelerator. When I coast to a stop at
the
side of the highway, the car returns to idle as if nothing happened.
This
may happen again in a few minutes, hours, or days. It's completely
intermittent and can't be duplicated in my garage. I also note that the
car
feels a bit sluggish, and tends to stall now and then when the clutch is
released at stop signs, etc.

I've also noticed that it seems to take longer than it used to for the
car
to start, as if fuel pressure is taking more time to build up or system
pressure is not being maintained after stop. I just recently replaced
the
fuel line to cylinder #1, and I was surprised that there was pretty much
no
fuel pressure at the fuel distributor when I loosened the banjo bolt.
The
car had been off overnight, but I still expected a little pressure.

This is what I've done so far so far:

- Checked for vacuum leaks, rips, tears in the intake; none found.
- Checked for fuel leaks; none found.
- New sparkplugs, wires, cap, rotor.
- New ignition switch.
- New fuel injectors/o-rings.
- New fuel pump relay.
- New fuel filter.
- Checked timing; okay.
- Almost new in-tank (transfer) fuel pump; no loud buzzing at main pump.

I really don't have the gauge and fittings required to check fuel
pressure,
but since the problem is intermittent I'm not sure it would tell me
anything. The main pump is about 10 years old, so I'm going to go ahead
and
replace it too. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm not sure what else to
do!
What about the coil? HELP!


--
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Rex Burkheimer
WM Automotive
Fort Worth TX



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ruimigueldias@gmail.com
 
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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 04:33 PM



that sounds like the engine's "security mode" kicking in.... is the
engine stock?


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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 05:01 PM



Security mode? Please elaborate. If you're referring to the malfunction of
an anti-theft device for engine cut-off, it doesn't have one. It's a stock
87 GTI 8V.

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Kent
1987 VW GTI 8V, original owner, 221,500+ miles


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that sounds like the engine's "security mode" kicking in.... is the
engine stock?




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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 07:59 PM



Does the tach show no rpms? On my 84 GTI I had to clean the
distributor connections where it plugs in to the harness with Tarnex.
After I rinsed, blew dry with compressed air and greased I never had
that problem again.

"Kent" <immortala2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
Since GTIs have been in production off and on for 22 years, with 4
generations, it would be useful to share the basics: Year model to start
with.

Sorry, this information is usually included in my autosignature. Car is 1987
VW GTI 8V, Engine Code RD (CIS-E/KE-Jetronic).

Jim B.


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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 08:41 PM



You need a new coil pack. These almost never fail all at once so I would
replace just the one that failed and you will be fine.
TL

"Kent" <immortala2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
This problem with my GTI is driving me CRAZY!!! I'll be driving along on
the
highway, and the engine will suddenly and completely lose power. There is
absolutely no response from the accelerator. When I coast to a stop at the
side of the highway, the car returns to idle as if nothing happened. This
may happen again in a few minutes, hours, or days. It's completely
intermittent and can't be duplicated in my garage. I also note that the
car
feels a bit sluggish, and tends to stall now and then when the clutch is
released at stop signs, etc.

I've also noticed that it seems to take longer than it used to for the car
to start, as if fuel pressure is taking more time to build up or system
pressure is not being maintained after stop. I just recently replaced the
fuel line to cylinder #1, and I was surprised that there was pretty much
no
fuel pressure at the fuel distributor when I loosened the banjo bolt. The
car had been off overnight, but I still expected a little pressure.

This is what I've done so far so far:

- Checked for vacuum leaks, rips, tears in the intake; none found.
- Checked for fuel leaks; none found.
- New sparkplugs, wires, cap, rotor.
- New ignition switch.
- New fuel injectors/o-rings.
- New fuel pump relay.
- New fuel filter.
- Checked timing; okay.
- Almost new in-tank (transfer) fuel pump; no loud buzzing at main pump.

I really don't have the gauge and fittings required to check fuel
pressure,
but since the problem is intermittent I'm not sure it would tell me
anything. The main pump is about 10 years old, so I'm going to go ahead
and
replace it too. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm not sure what else to
do!
What about the coil? HELP!

--
Kent
1987 VW GTI 8V, original owner, 221,800+ miles





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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-17-2005 , 08:51 PM



In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, Tom Levigne wrote:

Quote:
You need a new coil pack. These almost never fail all at once so I would
replace just the one that failed and you will be fine.
These symptoms do not sound like coil pack to me.

If I follow the description correctly, it is as if he had removed
his foot from the accelerator, tho he had not.


Quote:
TL

"Kent" <immortala2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote in message
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This problem with my GTI is driving me CRAZY!!! I'll be driving along on
the
highway, and the engine will suddenly and completely lose power. There is
absolutely no response from the accelerator. When I coast to a stop at the
side of the highway, the car returns to idle as if nothing happened. This
may happen again in a few minutes, hours, or days. It's completely
intermittent and can't be duplicated in my garage. I also note that the
car
feels a bit sluggish, and tends to stall now and then when the clutch is
released at stop signs, etc.

I've also noticed that it seems to take longer than it used to for the car
to start, as if fuel pressure is taking more time to build up or system
pressure is not being maintained after stop. I just recently replaced the
fuel line to cylinder #1, and I was surprised that there was pretty much
no
fuel pressure at the fuel distributor when I loosened the banjo bolt. The
car had been off overnight, but I still expected a little pressure.

This is what I've done so far so far:

- Checked for vacuum leaks, rips, tears in the intake; none found.
- Checked for fuel leaks; none found.
- New sparkplugs, wires, cap, rotor.
- New ignition switch.
- New fuel injectors/o-rings.
- New fuel pump relay.
- New fuel filter.
- Checked timing; okay.
- Almost new in-tank (transfer) fuel pump; no loud buzzing at main pump.

I really don't have the gauge and fittings required to check fuel
pressure,
but since the problem is intermittent I'm not sure it would tell me
anything. The main pump is about 10 years old, so I'm going to go ahead
and
replace it too. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm not sure what else to
do!
What about the coil? HELP!

--
Kent
1987 VW GTI 8V, original owner, 221,800+ miles





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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-18-2005 , 01:56 AM




Tom's VR6 wrote:
Quote:
In rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled, Tom Levigne wrote:

You need a new coil pack. These almost never fail all at once so I would
replace just the one that failed and you will be fine.

These symptoms do not sound like coil pack to me.
I agree. Besides, the '87 didn't have coil packs, it had a single,
conventional coil.


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Default Re: Why is my GTI doing this to me? - 03-18-2005 , 04:26 AM



If you have a o2 sensor in there try running without it ( disconnect ).

SFC

"Kent" <immortala2 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> schreef in bericht
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Quote:
This problem with my GTI is driving me CRAZY!!! I'll be driving along on
the
highway, and the engine will suddenly and completely lose power. There is
absolutely no response from the accelerator. When I coast to a stop at the
side of the highway, the car returns to idle as if nothing happened. This
may happen again in a few minutes, hours, or days. It's completely
intermittent and can't be duplicated in my garage. I also note that the
car
feels a bit sluggish, and tends to stall now and then when the clutch is
released at stop signs, etc.

I've also noticed that it seems to take longer than it used to for the car
to start, as if fuel pressure is taking more time to build up or system
pressure is not being maintained after stop. I just recently replaced the
fuel line to cylinder #1, and I was surprised that there was pretty much
no
fuel pressure at the fuel distributor when I loosened the banjo bolt. The
car had been off overnight, but I still expected a little pressure.

This is what I've done so far so far:

- Checked for vacuum leaks, rips, tears in the intake; none found.
- Checked for fuel leaks; none found.
- New sparkplugs, wires, cap, rotor.
- New ignition switch.
- New fuel injectors/o-rings.
- New fuel pump relay.
- New fuel filter.
- Checked timing; okay.
- Almost new in-tank (transfer) fuel pump; no loud buzzing at main pump.

I really don't have the gauge and fittings required to check fuel
pressure,
but since the problem is intermittent I'm not sure it would tell me
anything. The main pump is about 10 years old, so I'm going to go ahead
and
replace it too. If that doesn't do the trick, I'm not sure what else to
do!
What about the coil? HELP!

--
Kent
1987 VW GTI 8V, original owner, 221,800+ miles





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