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The car was driven a couple of miles. It was behaving well but had a fairly rough idle. The car came to a stop, the accelerator was press, the car began to move and then stalled and has not started since. The plugs are new and have good spark The fuel rail has 43 psi. Pressure bleeds away overnight. The pressure reaches 43 psi very quickly. If i crank the engine, the plugs do not appear to be wet. If I stick in a twist of paper towel in the spark plug hole in place of a plug, the towel does not appear to be wet after a 5 second crank. I can however smell gas then. -The resistance of the VSS speed sensor is 1740 ohms instead of the expected 200 ohms. -There is 11 volts between CMP sensor term 3 and ground (10 V is expected) -CMP terminal 1 to ground is 0 ohms, as desired -when I check the power stage control signal (terminal 4 to ground) I get 0.2 volts, where I read I should have 0.7-1.3 V (what does this mean?) I have an 98 S70 to pull parts from. Questions: 1. I have a diagnosis write up(named "BasicTesting-Turbo.pdf" for a Volvo and it says to use a breakout box( I don't have one) for a CMP sensor test, that is "check between BOBox terminal 20 and 4 and Operate the starter voltage should vary between 0-5 volts" Would the terminals 20 and 4 correspond to wires labeled 20 and 4 in a Haynes Volvo 850 wiring diagram? 2. Can a ECU from a 98 s70 go in an 850? Roughly what would I have to pay for an ECU? 3. What do I do next? I wish I had a better write-up. Thanks for reading. Many Thanks, Mark |
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The car was driven a couple of miles. It was behaving well but had a fairly rough idle. The car came to a stop, the accelerator was press, the car began to move and then stalled and has not started since. The plugs are new and have good spark The fuel rail has 43 psi. Pressure bleeds away overnight. The pressure reaches 43 psi very quickly. If i crank the engine, the plugs do not appear to be wet. If I stick in a twist of paper towel in the spark plug hole in place of a plug, the towel does not appear to be wet after a 5 second crank. I can however smell gas then. -The resistance of the VSS speed sensor is 1740 ohms instead of the expected 200 ohms. -There is 11 volts between CMP sensor term 3 and ground (10 V is expected) -CMP terminal 1 to ground is 0 ohms, as desired -when I check the power stage control signal (terminal 4 to ground) I get 0.2 volts, where I read I should have 0.7-1.3 V (what does this mean?) I have an 98 S70 to pull parts from. Questions: 1. I have a diagnosis write up(named "BasicTesting-Turbo.pdf" for a Volvo and it says to use a breakout box( I don't have one) for a CMP sensor test, that is "check between BOBox terminal 20 and 4 and Operate the starter voltage should vary between 0-5 volts" Would the terminals 20 and 4 correspond to wires labeled 20 and 4 in a Haynes Volvo 850 wiring diagram? 2. Can a ECU from a 98 s70 go in an 850? Roughly what would I have to pay for an ECU? 3. What do I do next? I wish I had a better write-up. Thanks for reading. Many Thanks, Mark I removed the air filter assembly and shot Starter Fluid into the |
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Mark Barron wrote: The car was driven a couple of miles. It was behaving well but had a fairly rough idle. The car came to a stop, the accelerator was press, the car began to move and then stalled and has not started since. The plugs are new and have good spark The fuel rail has 43 psi. Pressure bleeds away overnight. The pressure reaches 43 psi very quickly. If i crank the engine, the plugs do not appear to be wet. If I stick in a twist of paper towel in the spark plug hole in place of a plug, the towel does not appear to be wet after a 5 second crank. I can however smell gas then. -The resistance of the VSS speed sensor is 1740 ohms instead of the expected 200 ohms. -There is 11 volts between CMP sensor term 3 and ground (10 V is expected) -CMP terminal 1 to ground is 0 ohms, as desired -when I check the power stage control signal (terminal 4 to ground) I get 0.2 volts, where I read I should have 0.7-1.3 V (what does this mean?) I have an 98 S70 to pull parts from. Questions: 1. I have a diagnosis write up(named "BasicTesting-Turbo.pdf" for a Volvo and it says to use a breakout box( I don't have one) for a CMP sensor test, that is "check between BOBox terminal 20 and 4 and Operate the starter voltage should vary between 0-5 volts" Would the terminals 20 and 4 correspond to wires labeled 20 and 4 in a Haynes Volvo 850 wiring diagram? 2. Can a ECU from a 98 s70 go in an 850? Roughly what would I have to pay for an ECU? 3. What do I do next? I wish I had a better write-up. Thanks for reading. Many Thanks, Mark Do you know if you're getting a spark? That's the first thing I'd check, if you have a spark, then the problem is probably fuel, but if you smell gas, I'm leaning towards ignition. |
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James Sweet wrote: Mark Barron wrote: The car was driven a couple of miles. It was behaving well but had a fairly rough idle. The car came to a stop, the accelerator was press, the car began to move and then stalled and has not started since. The plugs are new and have good spark The fuel rail has 43 psi. Pressure bleeds away overnight. The pressure reaches 43 psi very quickly. If i crank the engine, the plugs do not appear to be wet. If I stick in a twist of paper towel in the spark plug hole in place of a plug, the towel does not appear to be wet after a 5 second crank. I can however smell gas then. -The resistance of the VSS speed sensor is 1740 ohms instead of the expected 200 ohms. -There is 11 volts between CMP sensor term 3 and ground (10 V is expected) -CMP terminal 1 to ground is 0 ohms, as desired -when I check the power stage control signal (terminal 4 to ground) I get 0.2 volts, where I read I should have 0.7-1.3 V (what does this mean?) I have an 98 S70 to pull parts from. Questions: 1. I have a diagnosis write up(named "BasicTesting-Turbo.pdf" for a Volvo and it says to use a breakout box( I don't have one) for a CMP sensor test, that is "check between BOBox terminal 20 and 4 and Operate the starter voltage should vary between 0-5 volts" Would the terminals 20 and 4 correspond to wires labeled 20 and 4 in a Haynes Volvo 850 wiring diagram? 2. Can a ECU from a 98 s70 go in an 850? Roughly what would I have to pay for an ECU? 3. What do I do next? I wish I had a better write-up. Thanks for reading. Many Thanks, Mark Do you know if you're getting a spark? That's the first thing I'd check, if you have a spark, then the problem is probably fuel, but if you smell gas, I'm leaning towards ignition. I have spark, but even when I squirt starter fluid into the intake directly, I can not get the engine to even cough. How can that be? I will check again to insure that I still have spark. Thanks you for replying. Mark |
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Mark Barron wrote: James Sweet wrote: Mark Barron wrote: The car was driven a couple of miles. It was behaving well but had a fairly rough idle. The car came to a stop, the accelerator was press, the car began to move and then stalled and has not started since. The plugs are new and have good spark The fuel rail has 43 psi. Pressure bleeds away overnight. The pressure reaches 43 psi very quickly. If i crank the engine, the plugs do not appear to be wet. If I stick in a twist of paper towel in the spark plug hole in place of a plug, the towel does not appear to be wet after a 5 second crank. I can however smell gas then. -The resistance of the VSS speed sensor is 1740 ohms instead of the expected 200 ohms. -There is 11 volts between CMP sensor term 3 and ground (10 V is expected) -CMP terminal 1 to ground is 0 ohms, as desired -when I check the power stage control signal (terminal 4 to ground) I get 0.2 volts, where I read I should have 0.7-1.3 V (what does this mean?) I have an 98 S70 to pull parts from. Questions: 1. I have a diagnosis write up(named "BasicTesting-Turbo.pdf" for a Volvo and it says to use a breakout box( I don't have one) for a CMP sensor test, that is "check between BOBox terminal 20 and 4 and Operate the starter voltage should vary between 0-5 volts" Would the terminals 20 and 4 correspond to wires labeled 20 and 4 in a Haynes Volvo 850 wiring diagram? 2. Can a ECU from a 98 s70 go in an 850? Roughly what would I have to pay for an ECU? 3. What do I do next? I wish I had a better write-up. Thanks for reading. Many Thanks, Mark Do you know if you're getting a spark? That's the first thing I'd check, if you have a spark, then the problem is probably fuel, but if you smell gas, I'm leaning towards ignition. I have spark, but even when I squirt starter fluid into the intake directly, I can not get the engine to even cough. How can that be? I will check again to insure that I still have spark. Thanks you for replying. Mark Is there compression? Timing belt didn't break did it? Belts are good, I replace the timing belt last summer, I honestly have |
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Is there compression? Timing belt didn't break did it? Belts are good, I replace the timing belt last summer, I honestly have not checked compression will do tonight. I think I may have found the problem. I tested voltage at 3 of the five injector connectors. The wires are green and white. When I turn on the ignition, BOTH wires have battery voltage , +12.85. Is this right? Does one of the wires get cyclically grounded by the ECU and thereby cause the injector to fire? Or is this situation indicative of wires crossed? I am not yet sure where the green and white injector wires run, I am guessing to the ECU. Let's say for argument, that the cause of the no start is the fact that the injectors don't fire. If I find 12.8 at the injectors then what is left to explain the injectors not firing? -- The ECU right? Thanks for reading. |
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Mark Barron wrote: James Sweet wrote: Mark Barron wrote: The car was driven a couple of miles. It was behaving well but had a fairly rough idle. The car came to a stop, the accelerator was press, the car began to move and then stalled and has not started since. The plugs are new and have good spark The fuel rail has 43 psi. Pressure bleeds away overnight. The pressure reaches 43 psi very quickly. If i crank the engine, the plugs do not appear to be wet. If I stick in a twist of paper towel in the spark plug hole in place of a plug, the towel does not appear to be wet after a 5 second crank. I can however smell gas then. -The resistance of the VSS speed sensor is 1740 ohms instead of the expected 200 ohms. -There is 11 volts between CMP sensor term 3 and ground (10 V is expected) -CMP terminal 1 to ground is 0 ohms, as desired -when I check the power stage control signal (terminal 4 to ground) I get 0.2 volts, where I read I should have 0.7-1.3 V (what does this mean?) I have an 98 S70 to pull parts from. Questions: 1. I have a diagnosis write up(named "BasicTesting-Turbo.pdf" for a Volvo and it says to use a breakout box( I don't have one) for a CMP sensor test, that is "check between BOBox terminal 20 and 4 and Operate the starter voltage should vary between 0-5 volts" Would the terminals 20 and 4 correspond to wires labeled 20 and 4 in a Haynes Volvo 850 wiring diagram? 2. Can a ECU from a 98 s70 go in an 850? Roughly what would I have to pay for an ECU? 3. What do I do next? I wish I had a better write-up. Thanks for reading. Many Thanks, Mark Do you know if you're getting a spark? That's the first thing I'd check, if you have a spark, then the problem is probably fuel, but if you smell gas, I'm leaning towards ignition. I have spark, but even when I squirt starter fluid into the intake directly, I can not get the engine to even cough. How can that be? I will check again to insure that I still have spark. Thanks you for replying. Mark Is there compression? Timing belt didn't break did it? The timing belt did not break. I got the following compression readings |
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| Is there compression? Timing belt didn't break did it? Belts are good, I replace the timing belt last summer, I honestly have not checked compression will do tonight. I think I may have found the problem. I tested voltage at 3 of the five injector connectors. The wires are green and white. When I turn on the ignition, BOTH wires have battery voltage , +12.85. Is this right? Does one of the wires get cyclically grounded by the ECU and thereby cause the injector to fire? Or is this situation indicative of wires crossed? I am not yet sure where the green and white injector wires run, I am guessing to the ECU. Let's say for argument, that the cause of the no start is the fact that the injectors don't fire. If I find 12.8 at the injectors then what is left to explain the injectors not firing? -- The ECU right? Thanks for reading. Generally speaking, yes, one wire receives +12V and the other is pulled low by a power transistor in the ECU. The pulse is brief though, especially at start/idle. You really need to connect a test light across the injector connector and crank it, if all is well the light will flash. Sometimes you can also hear the injectors tick but the starter can drown it out. I will be on the hunt for what I think is called a noid light. |
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| Generally speaking, yes, one wire receives +12V and the other is pulled low by a power transistor in the ECU. The pulse is brief though, especially at start/idle. You really need to connect a test light across the injector connector and crank it, if all is well the light will flash. Sometimes you can also hear the injectors tick but the starter can drown it out. I will be on the hunt for what I think is called a noid light. Thanks! |
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