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Pat Quadlander
 
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Default Re: P1800 Considerations - 06-22-2003 , 02:03 PM






Northern California and up through Oregon and Washington is maybe the best
area in U.S. for classic Volvos (including the 1800 and 122 models from
'60s).

Wiring on the 1800 was not the kind of "environment-friendly" product put on
the first several years of the 240 series. The 240 wiring insulation tended
to degrade rapidly. The 1800 has its own special electric system problems,
being built by Lucas. You will want to double check and clean up all the
connections in the fuse box, and all ground points, and the ground strap
from engine to body. I would assume you have medium DIY skills or better.
Go for the suspension upgrades (including anti-sway bar) from IPD
www.ipdusa.com , the Volvo aftermarket specialty house. Several places sell
carb re-build kits, and is pretty easy for home mechanic, except for worn
throttle shafts - over years, the shaft's axle warbles out the opening
through the carb body, causing less than smooth idle. Since it's only at
idle, just increase idle speed a little to prevent stalling - not a big
problem. Other very recommended suppliers of new and used parts are Don
Thibault www.p1800.com , Duane at Foreign Autotech www.volvo-1800.com ,
Rusty at www.rprusa.com , and Genuine Classic Parts www.gcp.se . Some Volvo
dealers will still sell parts for 1800, but some won't, because they no
longer have much of a market. The yahoo news group
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/1800list/ is an indispensable source of
valuable knowledge collected and shared generously of, by, and for 1800
owners. Even a 30 yr old 1800 can be made reliable for a daily driver.
There is nothing really very complicated on it.

Pat Q
'70 1800E (daily driver)
'91 240 (haven't started it for over a month)
"Paul Burkett" <pburkett (AT) NOSPAMdebian (DOT) red-fusion.org> wrote

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There might be a chance that I can get a P1800 for a very cheap price
in
good condition.

This is good. The biggest problem with any of these 30YO ++ cars is
rust.


I will be looking into this, hopefully I will have a chance to check it
out this weekend.


What kind of problems will I run into?

Its over 30 YO. You CAN run into just about anything. The good news is
the
area of least problem will be the engine and drive train. Steering ,
suspension and brakes should all be on your mind for complete
rebuild/replacement.

If anything, I plan to upgrade the suspension. I'm sure anti-sway bars
on doable on these cars. Shocks aren't a problem either. Brakes might be
an issue and I would consider looking into converting the rear drum
brakes into vented discs, (along with using vented disk on the front
too). One thing I definitely like with my 80 242 is the 4 wheel disc
brakes. I heard the P1800's have fairly nice suspension compared to the
body roll most Volvos suffer. That's great to hear about the reliability
of the engine and drivetrain, I did see it in the Guinness Book of World
records, having 2 million miles. Although if the engine does go out, it
just gives me an excuse to put a new engine in it (perhaps an S2000
engine


Is the wiring harness just as bad as > with the 200 series?

Hey, its been abused for 30++ years!! YES, the wiring is probably not
its
best feature.

Yea, but it's claimed that the wires from the 80s 200 series have wires
that seem to biodegrade. I don't think any other series had this issue,
even older Volvos. Although making my own wiring harness might be quite
a learning experience.


Are parts hard to find?

No. Just about everything is available,strangely enuf! Also, reprints
of
parts manuals and service manuals are available, plus original service
manuals occasionally end up on e-bay.

That's damn good news.


I know I wont find any > P1800s at the pick-n-pull so I'll have to buy
everything new.

Not true, leaded-gas-breath. Lots of used parts available. There are a
couple of specialty yards that will shio you anything you desire.

I'm > probably going to use it as a daily driver, but if it doesn't work
for
some reason I will have no issue taking the bus.

Daily driver is good.

. I know the P1800s are slow, but I
don't really care about speed.

Slow?? compared to what? If you take it on the highway I bet you see
85-90
mph on the speedo without any hint that you are speeding.


I probably should of said acceleration. From the specs I've seen, an
85hp engine is not that powerful on a fairly heavy car (~2500lbs).

They just seem like a really really nice
car.

they are very nice cars.

go to Yahoo lists for the best 1800 list on the net. Brickboard.com
also
has excellent 1800 specific resources. Join VCOA and VSA for monthly
magazines and notice of activities. You didn't mention where you live.
East and west coast have several large, active round fender gatherings.
Flyover states not so much.


I live in Northern California. I haven't heard of any event around here,
but then again I've never paid attention.

Thanks so much for the information, if I do get this car (which I hope I
will) I know I will have lots of fun with it.

chuck petterson
73 ES






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Jim Carriere
 
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Default Re: P1800 Considerations - 06-22-2003 , 03:47 PM






"Pat Quadlander" <pquadlander (AT) attbi (DOT) com> wrote

....
Quote:
www.ipdusa.com , the Volvo aftermarket specialty house. Several places
sell
carb re-build kits, and is pretty easy for home mechanic, except for worn
throttle shafts - over years, the shaft's axle warbles out the opening
through the carb body, causing less than smooth idle. Since it's only at
idle, just increase idle speed a little to prevent stalling - not a big
problem. Other very recommended suppliers of new and used parts are Don
....

Even the throttle shaft bushings aren't a difficult repair. I made new ones
for the SUs on my 142 a few years ago, using some brass tubing I found in a
hobby shop. I honed them to fit perfectly by first mounting them on the
throttle shaft, then turning the shaft using a drill and holding a piece of
fine grit sandpaper around the bushing. It probably doesn't make perfect
sense the way I explain it, but the whole job only took a few hours and cost
me pocket change for the brass tube.

The car ran a whole lot better afterwards, especially cold starting and
while warming up in cold weather.




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Michael Cerkowski
 
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Default Re: P1800 Considerations - 07-03-2003 , 05:08 AM





Paul Burkett wrote:

Quote:
Well, I've almost had it with my 1980 242DL, after having it survive a
crash and now requiring a wire harness replacement, I'm pretty much fed
up with it. Why? It's not so much the fact that I have to put money
into, it's the fact that I no longer care for it. It used to be *my*
car, now it's just a POS that gets me from Point A to Point B (for now.)

There might be a chance that I can get a P1800 for a very cheap price in
good condition. What kind of problems will I run into? I know already
that there's an issue with the carb and it's not running right, but what
other things should I look into? Is the wiring harness just as bad as
with the 200 series? Are parts hard to find? I know I wont find any
P1800s at the pick-n-pull so I'll have to buy everything new. I'm
probably going to use it as a daily driver, but if it doesn't work for
some reason I will have no issue taking the bus.

I've pretty much fallen in love with the P1800, I like the looks and I
like the fact that it is a Volvo. I know the P1800s are slow, but I
don't really care about speed. They just seem like a really really nice
car.

--

Paul
There are groups - including Yahoo groups, I think - devoted to the
P1800.
Sign up with one. These cars are quite rugged and the wiring is not as
'crumbly'
as the 240 harnesses, but keep in mind how much *older* a P1800 will be. If
you
want a daily driver, you'll want to recondition the car. And they aren't
slow
with Webber carbs or fuel injection. Your best bet is to get the car and use
it
as an occasional driver, at least until you get it up to snuff.


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Pat Quadlander
 
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Default Re: P1800 Considerations - 07-06-2003 , 07:15 PM



Michael,

Your are correct - the 1800 did not use "Crumbly" brand wiring; it used
"Lucas" electronics. It is one of the popular objects of debate and humor
on Yahoo's Volvo 1800 news group site as to which brand is better, which is
worse.

Paul,

With regular care and maintenance, the 1800 can become a current daily
driver, assuming its owners have not permitted it to decline past point of
recovery. I have a '70 1800 and a '91 240. I'm driving the 1800 in summer
heat in Texas. I've not started my 240 in over a month.

Some changes occured over the years on the 1800. I think the most
significant were dual hydraulics on the brakes system in the late 60's, and
the switch from carb to fuel injection in 1970. The interior dash panel and
instrument gauges were changed in '68 or '69 from Austin Powers chrome and
turquoise blue accent to a cheap wood-grain-look dash panel with more
subdued black face gauges with white lettering. Otherwise, the styling
changed very little during its 12 year production.

Pat Q
"Michael Cerkowski <mjc1@ albany.net >" <"DESPAM> wrote

Quote:

Paul Burkett wrote:

Well, I've almost had it with my 1980 242DL, after having it survive a
crash and now requiring a wire harness replacement, I'm pretty much fed
up with it. Why? It's not so much the fact that I have to put money
into, it's the fact that I no longer care for it. It used to be *my*
car, now it's just a POS that gets me from Point A to Point B (for now.)

There might be a chance that I can get a P1800 for a very cheap price in
good condition. What kind of problems will I run into? I know already
that there's an issue with the carb and it's not running right, but what
other things should I look into? Is the wiring harness just as bad as
with the 200 series? Are parts hard to find? I know I wont find any
P1800s at the pick-n-pull so I'll have to buy everything new. I'm
probably going to use it as a daily driver, but if it doesn't work for
some reason I will have no issue taking the bus.

I've pretty much fallen in love with the P1800, I like the looks and I
like the fact that it is a Volvo. I know the P1800s are slow, but I
don't really care about speed. They just seem like a really really nice
car.

--

Paul

There are groups - including Yahoo groups, I think - devoted to the
P1800.
Sign up with one. These cars are quite rugged and the wiring is not as
'crumbly'
as the 240 harnesses, but keep in mind how much *older* a P1800 will be.
If
you
want a daily driver, you'll want to recondition the car. And they aren't
slow
with Webber carbs or fuel injection. Your best bet is to get the car and
use
it
as an occasional driver, at least until you get it up to snuff.


--






http://www.albany.net/~mjc1/index.html





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