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Re: Some states want to punish fuel-efficient car drivers! -
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Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline |
is now out of control and any pretence at democracy is only nominal.
The events of the last year or so have convinced me that only a full scale
revolution can restore peoples' rights and stop government poking its nose
into stuff it has no business in.
Graham
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"Tim Howard" <tim.howard (AT) suddenlink (DOT) net> wrote in message Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline By RYAN KOST, Associated Press Writer Ryan Kost, Associated Press Writer – Sat Jan 3, 7:38 am ET PORTLAND, Ore. – Oregon is among a growing number of states exploring ways to tax drivers based on the number of miles they drive instead of how much gas they use, even going so far as to install GPS monitoring devices in 300 vehicles. The idea first emerged nearly 10 years ago as Oregon lawmakers worried that fuel-efficient cars such as gas-electric hybrids could pose a threat to road upkeep, which is paid for largely with gasoline taxes. How about taxing based on a combination of gasoline per gallon, with a multiplier related to the gross vehicle weight, to account for the real cause of road deterioration - - tonnage. |
Graham
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Lets see if I understand this. I live in Oregon and I have two vehicles, one weighs 2,000 LB, the other weighs 3,000 LB. one gets 20 MPG, and the other gets 35 MPG, doing 60 MPH on the interstate. I pay MORE in gas taxes for the one than the other, per 100 miles driven, right? The one that gets 35 MPG has only two seats, the other seats seven. I have a wife and four children, all of us can NOT travel in the one that gets 20 MPG. If I must take us all, 100 miles away, to my in-laws house. I need to make five trips in both directions with one, at total of ten trips and only one each way with the other, for a total of two. Now my question is, which situation would cause the most damage when I'm on that trip and should I sell the one that weighs 2,000 LB and gets 20 MPG to pay the per mile tax and keep the other because I have a wife on four children or should just keep the one that weighs 2,000 LB and gets 20 MPG and just leave my wife and kids, as well as Oregon? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-purpose_vehicle
Would probably get 30 mpg and have a nice torquey diesel engine. And the state
would get even less tax.
My opinion. Roads should be provided as essential infrastructure and not ties
too taxes.
Graham
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Mike Hunter wrote: Lets see if I understand this. I live in Oregon and I have two vehicles, one weighs 2,000 LB, the other weighs 3,000 LB. one gets 20 MPG, and the other gets 35 MPG, doing 60 MPH on the interstate. I pay MORE in gas taxes for the one than the other, per 100 miles driven, right? The one that gets 35 MPG has only two seats, the other seats seven. I have a wife and four children, all of us can NOT travel in the one that gets 20 MPG. If I must take us all, 100 miles away, to my in-laws house. I need to make five trips in both directions with one, at total of ten trips and only one each way with the other, for a total of two. Now my question is, which situation would cause the most damage when I'm on that trip and should I sell the one that weighs 2,000 LB and gets 20 MPG to pay the per mile tax and keep the other because I have a wife on four children or should just keep the one that weighs 2,000 LB and gets 20 MPG and just leave my wife and kids, as well as Oregon? If you lived in Europe, your MPV (as we call them) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-purpose_vehicle Would probably get 30 mpg and have a nice torquey diesel engine. And the state would get even less tax. My opinion. Roads should be provided as essential infrastructure and not ties too taxes. Graham |
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| Tim Howard wrote: Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline The basic problem is that government in much of the west (not just the USA) is now out of control and any pretence at democracy is only nominal. The events of the last year or so have convinced me that only a full scale revolution can restore peoples' rights and stop government poking its nose into stuff it has no business in. |
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Tim Howard wrote: Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline The basic problem is that government in much of the west (not just the USA) is now out of control and any pretence at democracy is only nominal. The events of the last year or so have convinced me that only a full scale revolution can restore peoples' rights and stop government poking its nose into stuff it has no business in. |
the US government for 26 of the past 28 years. They've told us that
government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem. They
shrunk the size of government (just ask them), eliminated reams of
burdensome regulations, they've spent billions of dollars protecting
delicate corporations from the hoi polloi. Are you saying that the
Republicans were *wrong?*
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In article <49669478.3D4D96F7 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Tim Howard wrote: Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline The basic problem is that government in much of the west (not just the USA) is now out of control and any pretence at democracy is only nominal. The events of the last year or so have convinced me that only a full scale revolution can restore peoples' rights and stop government poking its nose into stuff it has no business in. How can that be? The right wing has controlled at least two branches of the US government for 26 of the past 28 years. They've told us that government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem. |
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they've spent billions of dollars protecting delicate corporations from the hoi polloi. Are you saying that the Republicans were *wrong?* |
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In article <49669478.3D4D96F7 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Tim Howard wrote: Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline The basic problem is that government in much of the west (not just the USA) is now out of control and any pretence at democracy is only nominal. The events of the last year or so have convinced me that only a full scale revolution can restore peoples' rights and stop government poking its nose into stuff it has no business in. How can that be? The right wing has controlled at least two branches of the US government for 26 of the past 28 years. They've told us that government isn't the solution to the problem, it is the problem. They shrunk the size of government (just ask them), eliminated reams of burdensome regulations, they've spent billions of dollars protecting delicate corporations from the hoi polloi. Are you saying that the Republicans were *wrong?* |
and have expanded the size and scope of government greatly. Then again
you seem to know at least the later. Shattering people's illusions is
another story entirely.
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they've spent billions of dollars protecting delicate corporations from the hoi polloi. Are you saying that the Republicans were *wrong?* Yep. And now, it is payback time... |
government? The people are going to be the losers again.
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Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Tim Howard wrote: Oregon looks at taxing mileage instead of gasoline The basic problem is that government in much of the west (not just the USA) is now out of control and any pretence at democracy is only nominal. The events of the last year or so have convinced me that only a full scale revolution can restore peoples' rights and stop government poking its nose into stuff it has no business in. Nanny state finally went after something you care about? |
ignore protest.
Graham
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