OK, I love my S60, but I'm not sure I can afford two of them. So the 2004
Subaru Forester Turbo has been intriguing. It seems to be a safety-conscious
design, with an interesting side airbag that doubles as a head protector,
like a side air curtain; active headrest; and five-star crash test results.

I need: something reasonably economical, that can carry some extra stuff now
and then, and occasionally go soft-roading. Have to make a decision by
December, when the lease is up on the old car.

Any Volvo owners here who are also Subaru owners? Can a Volvo lover get by
with a Subaru?

Thanks.

HW

H. Whelply wrote:
They are fine, but I'm not a fan of turbos. If they have a non-turbo
or bigger engine, get it instead.

Well...I wasn't a Volvo owner, but I did own a new 2002 VW passat
loaded.
It was a $30 thousand dollar car, and very well built. I traded it
for a 2003 Forester XS premium. I did this trade for a number of
reasons:

1) The Forester was quite a bit less expensive ($22k).
2) Inexpsensive car with proven All Wheel Drive (which I need where I
live).

We needed to do this for economic reasons as my wife is out of work
and we needed to cut our monthly payments. Luckily, because the
passat had low mileage, I only lost about 500 bucks in the trade.
At first, it really killed me to get rid of the passat. I loved that
car.
But, I have now had the Forester for about a month now, I have come to
LOVE it. I am having more fun driving this car, and it appears that
it will be cheaper to own overall (oil changes are $23 at my dealer
compared to $40 for the passat).
I have been getting 28-30 miles per gallon consistenly despite the
21-26 it's rated at on the sticker (XT model is rated for less mpg).
I say definitely check it out. Take a long test drive.
It is VERY well built with no squeaks or rattles, is very practical
but
fun to drive car. Although not a "luxury" car like a Volvo or even
loaded Passat, it holds its own very well. It's hard to compare a
$20,000+ car to a car that costs over $30+ - but if you are a
practical person its not that hard of a jump. If you are concerned
about "status", you may find that the Forester is NOT for you.
I love mine though, and wouldn't go back to my $30,000 passat at all.
(I considered the S60 when buying my passat - nice car...high
maintenace cost though).

Good luck -
Dominic





"H. Whelply" <whelply (AT) cox (DOT) net> wrote

what about the wrx.....i am thinking of
looking at that one (vs. a s60r) in anticipation
of a new car...in 1 - 2rs from today....

some buddies told me to make sure i checked
out the wrx turbo of 03 or 04...they all claim
it is a sweet, fast sedan...4 door?......




"James Sweet" <jamessweet (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

" ~^ beancounter ~^" <sccat45 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote

I work with a guy who has one, it's fast, that's for sure, seemed fairly
comfy and well built, if I were one to buy a new car I'd look into them.

The turbo in the top model Forester is somewhat detuned from that in the
WRX, from what I've read; lower boost, by about three pounds or so. That's
fine with me, since I'm well beyond my WRC days. But I like the idea of a
vehicle about 300 lbs. lighter than my 2.4T having 23 more horsepower and
(if memory serves) 17 more ft. lbs. torque, though at a bit over 3K RPM
rather than 1800 or so as in the Volvo. The non-turbo Subaru 4 cyl. is only
about 165 HP and about the same number ft. lbs. torque, as I recall. That
would be hard to move down to since both current cars are in the 200 HP
neighborhood.

HW

"James Sweet" <jamessweet (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

On Thu, 3 Jul 2003 22:41:11 -0700,
H. Whelply (whelply (AT) cox (DOT) net) wrote:
The ex and I owned a '95 Subaru Impreza Outback and a '90 Volvo 760 Turbo.
The Volvo was definitely a better vehicle to drive, but the Subaru wasn't
bad. A little under-powered, and ride felt a little soft. On the other
hand, I liked the all wheel drive handling, especially in heavy snow.

I preferred the Volvo, and our negotiations let me keep it. Traded it in
a while ago for a newer 850 that I don't like as much.

Bev
--
Bev A. Kupf
Bev's House of Pancakes

In '95, our daughter was given her mom's 240 wagon as a college grad
gift promised earlier. We had decided that any future purchase would be
based on our Sierra winters, so would be AWD - though *not* truck-based
(SUV). In '95 this left a field of 1, here in Reno, a Subaru Legacy -
oh, yes, an automatic was also required which my choice (Audi) didn't
include at that time.

As others have suggested, the power at that time was short, so runs over
Donner Summit (7,300') required use of 3rd gear to maintain a steady
70. This also meant 4,000rpm, which necessitated new cam seals
(warranty). Comfort OK; general fit & finish OK, though not to Volvo
standards.

I subsequently got a '98 V70XC as soon as they became available, but the
wife happily drove her Subaru until an '02 S60AWD moved into my side of
the garage and she inherited the V70XC.

The Subaru met every weather-related expectation handily. Performance
was all that could be expected from its 135-140hp, but a turbo (not then
available) would have been welcome. Low maintenance costs - I do oil
and other maintenance on "my" cars, but the Subaru went to the Dealer
for its service requirements, as they were very reasonably priced.
Overall, we felt good enough about the Subaru to pass it along to our
son, who was in need of a "civilized" vehicle to use when his van
wouldn't do.

Subaru was fine, but aren't Volvo-level. Basically, you get what you
pay for - the Subaru was fine at $20K in '95, but not up to the '98
V70XC at about $37K or the '02 S60AWD at about the same.

bob noble
Reno, NV, USA

"MHF" <mrheavyfoot (AT) rogers (DOT) com> wrote

From AutoWeek, July 7, 2003, p. 13: "The XT, a sport-minded edition of
Subaru's second-generation crossover vehicle, uses the WRX's turbo four that
makes 210 hp [OK, I had it at 220--my bad] in this installation. Whereas in
the 300-hp STi the engine is tuned for near-supercar response off the line,
the Forester is tuned for strong torque down low, meant for sold around-town
performance."

On the Subaru site, it's indicated that the plain WRX sedan has 227 hp, 217
lb.-ft. torque, also more than the Forester. So, perhaps "tuned differently"
is somewhat more accurate than "detuned," but the Forester is less powerful
than the other cars mentioned. So is "detuned" really all that far off?!

I'm glad someone responded with comments relevant to a recent model Subaru.

We intend to buy an AWD car next year and will choose from the soon to be
released 2005 models of the Legacy GT and Passat. We might consider the V70
AWD but our experience with our 850 turbo has been negative.

For information on the Subaru take a look at:
http://www.autoweek.com/search/search_display.mv?port_code=autoweek&cat_code=carn ews&content_code=03705625&Search_Type=STD&Search_I D=1310463&record=21
and
http://www.subaru.co.jp/legacy/touringwagon/index.html

Word has it that it will come to the US with the same turbo motor as that
available in the Forester.

Cheers,

Jim


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